The Klingon Empire In This Show

[The Overlord]

Since it looks like a Klingon Captain will be a major character in this show, how should the Klingons be portrayed in this show?

I would like to see the Klingon Empire as an Empire, going around and subjecting less powerful civilizations and incorporating them into their Empire. Have a rivalry between Discovery and this Klingon ship, with both trying to get advantage over the other in terms of getting resources and allies for their respective civilizations.

I would like there to be two major Klingon characters, the Captain who is somewhat sympathetic and his superior, who is unsympathetic scum bag, just to contrast the two. Sure not all Klingons are evil, but not all of them are good either and it is still an Empire, Klingons should be willing to be brutal and ruthless.

Also, are there any other "villain" civilizations you would like to see in this show and how should be portrayed?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

What you're saying would certainly put the Klingons right between what we saw on ENT and TOS (the show is closer to TOS obviously).

I can't believe they would be portrayed any other way considering the timeline.

What I want to know is, flat or bumpy....or both?

 

[The Overlord]

What you're saying would certainly put the Klingons right between what we saw on ENT and TOS (the show is closer to TOS obviously).

I can't believe they would be portrayed any other way considering the timeline.

What I want to know is, flat or bumpy....or both?

I like the bumpy heads, there is no need for the smooth heads in this day and age.

I just think by the TNG era, we hardly saw the Klingons engage in actual imperialism (except for trying to annex Cardassia in the DS9 era), we saw some imperialism in the TOS era, but not that much and this is before the Klingons were retooled in the TOS era. I would like to know who is in the Klingon Empire besides the Klingons and how do they treat subjugated species.

That is why I suggested the noble captain and the scum bag superior officer, you can still some of the honor and nobility in the captain, but see all the negative qualities in the superior officer. Make the Captain a hard working man with no status who earned his position through hard work, while the superior officer is someone with strong family connections, who had everything handed to him due to his family. The Captain is someone who is ruthless, but not blood thirsty, while the superior officer has no problem with mass murder achieve whatever end he wants. It makes the Captain more sympathetic and gives the audience a villain to root for and a villain to root against. It shows that there good people in the Klingon Empire, but the system itself is bad, if a total scum bag can get a position of major importance.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The problem is, the smooth headed Klingons were made canon by DS9 and Enterprise.

I realize in TOS it was a matter of budget, but DS9 showed both, then ENT had to go and explain it in great detail.

 

[The Overlord]

The problem is, the smooth headed Klingons were made canon by DS9 and Enterprise.

I realize in TOS it was a matter of budget, but DS9 showed both, then ENT had to go and explain it in great detail.

I think people like the bumpy head Klingons better and I think people care about that, then continuity from shows that have been off the air for a decade. I don't mind ignoring some aspects of continuity to give the people what they want.

 

[fireproof78]

I like the bumpy heads, there is no need for the smooth heads in this day and age.

I just think by the TNG era, we hardly saw the Klingons engage in actual imperialism (except for trying to annex Cardassia in the DS9 era), we saw some imperialism in the TOS era, but not that much and this is before the Klingons were retooled in the TOS era. I would like to know who is in the Klingon Empire besides the Klingons and how do they treat subjugated species.

That is why I suggested the noble captain and the scum bag superior officer, you can still some of the honor and nobility in the captain, but see all the negative qualities in the superior officer. Make the Captain a hard working man with no status who earned his position through hard work, while the superior officer is someone with strong family connections, who had everything handed to him due to his family. The Captain is someone who is ruthless, but not blood thirsty, while the superior officer has no problem with mass murder achieve whatever end he wants. It makes the Captain more sympathetic and gives the audience a villain to root for and a villain to root against. It shows that there good people in the Klingon Empire, but the system itself is bad, if a total scum bag can get a position of major importance.

That might relate to Fuller's comment about "Balance of Terror" where you have the Romulan Commander, who is more cautious and reluctant, and Decius, who is far more ambitious, and basically goads the Commander in to attacking.

That would be an interesting dynamic.

 

[The Overlord]

That might relate to Fuller's comment about "Balance of Terror" where you have the Romulan Commander, who is more cautious and reluctant, and Decius, who is far more ambitious, and basically goads the Commander in to attacking.

That would be an interesting dynamic.

I think what is interesting about the Klingon code of honor is it is like religion, it can be used to justify good or evil acts, depending on who is interpreting it and how good or bad that person is.

I think good Klingons can see it as sense of fair play and being noble, but a psychopathic Klingon could use it as excuse to commit mass murder and enslave those weaker then himself. I can easily see a psychopath Klingon deciding that some other planet that is weaker, has a population who is not honorable, so its okay to butcher them, enslave them and take their resources.

Having a Captain similar to Worf or Martok (though more ruthless) having to work under someone who is like Joffrey on a bad day, would be interesting.

The Captain sees honor as something that he uses to better himself, while the superior officer sees himself as naturally honorable and those he deems without honor are worthy of slavery and death.

I think the Klingon Empire can be menacing, even scary, if it allows for some really scary characters to flourish, despite the presence of truly honorable men.

 

[Ithekro]

A Klingon Empire as seen through the eyes of Kor around 2266.

 

[The Overlord]

One thing I would like to see is the Klingons acting more like a modern space empire, rather then using tactics out of the Middle Ages. Don't bring swords to a gun fight, it breaks any sort of tension if Klingons are running up and trying to attack people with swords, when the other side can just shoot them with phasers.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I'm a little over the Klingons, so if they are a big part of the show that might be a turn off for me.

 

[fireproof78]

I tend to agree with this. They were never my favorite aliens to begin with, and the emphasis that they got throughout TNG and DS9 started to feel, I don't know, stale? I don't think that's the right word, because the storylines were, for the most part, interesting. But, it was a lot.

 

[Kor]

I want to see the shrewd, efficient, menacing Klingon empire of the TOS era, not the primitive caveman viking biker gangs of the spinoffs.

Kor

 

[The Overlord]

I tend to agree with this. They were never my favorite aliens to begin with, and the emphasis that they got throughout TNG and DS9 started to feel, I don't know, stale? I don't think that's the right word, because the storylines were, for the most part, interesting. But, it was a lot.

Well I choose to make this thread about Klingons because it seems like a Klingon captain will be a main character, so I assumed the Klingons would be the antagonists.

This series is set during the TOS era, who would be the Federation's rivals besides the Klingons and the Romulans?

We could discuss the Romulans instead, but they were played out in the TNG era as well. They didn't do much besides be sneaky in that era. Whether it is the Klingons or the Romulans as the main rivals, I would like them to be more proactive with their imperialism, have them feel more like empires.

Plus the honorable captain and the scum bag superior officer works with any culture.

 

[fireproof78]

The Gorn?

 

[Jedi_Master]

I tend to agree with this. They were never my favorite aliens to begin with, and the emphasis that they got throughout TNG and DS9 started to feel, I don't know, stale? I don't think that's the right word, because the storylines were, for the most part, interesting. But, it was a lot.

It became less interesting when the Klingons became the "good guys" and started acting in a way that conformed to human values.

One of the best "Klingon" moments is when Sisko and Ross dump out their blood wine on the surface of a devastated Cardassia Prime, and Martok gives them a derisive chuckle and drains his cup.

So many more "Klingon" moments were just a way to show that they were more "enlightened" - read "human."

 

[The Overlord]

The Gorn?

The Gorn seem more like a small regional player, rather then a true intergalactic power.

I think at the end of the day in the TOS era, the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans were the big players.

I also think CBS might want to stick to the iconic villains for this show, which would mean the Klingons and Romulans. Since Star Trek has been off the air for a decade, I don't think the general public will be tired of these villains the way long time fans are.

 

[fireproof78]

The Gorn seem more like a small regional player, rather then a true intergalactic power.

I think at the end of the day in the TOS era, the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans were the big players.

I also think CBS might want to stick to the iconic villains for this show, which would mean the Klingons and Romulans. Since Star Trek has been off the air for a decade, I don't think the general public will be tired of these villains the way long time fans are.

Possibly. They also want to explore new aliens, and while I like the idea of conquered races by the Klingons in their imperialistic expansion, and possibly making overtures to the Federation.

In my opinion, we did not get enough of the Romulans, even in TNG, and definitely not in DS9, to the extent that the Klingons ever were. So, I would rather the Romulans, or their conquered worlds. But, that doesn't line up with the timeline so, Klingons it might be.

 

[DarKush]

I would prefer the smooth headed Klingons for this show, due to the time in which it takes place. Though I'm fine as well with the idea of showing both smooth and ridged forehead Klingons too, but I would like a smooth forehead Klingon be the most prominent character (s) that that crew interact with.

 

[publiusr]

Maybe an offshoot of the Klingons--a break-away faction that embraces some recently found Her'Q tech or something. It might explain some of the concept art of the ships. Some cult.

 

[gamer1]

I would actually like to see more diversity among the Klingons. Especially different sub.cultures.