First officer under jellico
Commanded his own ship in the Klingon civil war.
First officer in Gambit when they thought Picard was dead.
Leap frogged over by Shelby in best of both worlds. Not first officer.
Yeah, nothing permenant, sad.
The Importance of Harry Kim...
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Commanded his own ship in the Klingon civil war.
First officer in Gambit when they thought Picard was dead.
Leap frogged over by Shelby in best of both worlds. Not first officer.
Yeah, nothing permenant, sad.
I have a list of promotions that should have happened on Star Trek. There actually aren't that many, most Trek franchises were pretty good about leveling their people up.
Data (Commander) is an easy #2. With 30+ years in Starfleet, he was overdue. But that damn Riker just wouldn't move.
No, Harry Kim is NOT #1. Not exactly, anyway.
Data (Commander) is an easy #2. With 30+ years in Starfleet, he was overdue. But that damn Riker just wouldn't move.
No, Harry Kim is NOT #1. Not exactly, anyway.
Perhaps, under the motto 'Standing still is going backwards' they should have demoted the one standing still of his own will (Riker) to give the one forced to stand still a shot at the First Officer's position
("Mistah Rikah, you are now our second officer and chief of Operations. Congratulations, Data!")
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
30 years on, his shipmates may have forgotten, that they were supposed to watch the mysterious android, waiting for a fleet staffed by thousands of Data's to arrive and start knocking planets around like marbles, and figure out how to stop all of them.
Worf: Had really bad luck with women.
O'Brien: Had really bad luck with everything but women.
Harry: Had really bad luck with everything!
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Be that as it may, I think Harry was quite underrated as a character.
1. He was a good friend, and fiercely loyal. In "Non Sequitur", what would have stopped him from just saying "screw it"? Make nice with Starfleet command about Tom, leave him to make his own choices, and let Daniel Byrd stay an ensign for years on end. Marry Libby, make babies, rank up. Nothing would have stopped him... except loyalty to his friends and crew.
2. He was very competent. Captain Janeway is a woman with very high expectations. To exceed said expectations, you would have to be an exceptional officer. But in "Twisted", Janeway says he did just that.
3. Despite being unsuccessful in love, he was something of a catch, romantically. Young, good-looking (I assume), loyal, intelligent... and, according to Linnis in "Before and After", a great dad. And in "Lineage", he gave Tom some pretty good marital advice. Only downsides: according to Tom, he snored, and kept his room too hot at night (maybe having someone warm to cuddle with would fix that).
4. He was eminently promotable. In five separate timelines that I know of, he achieved higher rank. In three if them, command rank. He wasn't under Janeway's command in any of those timelines, though... maybe the fan theory is right, and she did secretly have it in for him!
O'Brien: Had really bad luck with everything but women.
Harry: Had really bad luck with everything!
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Be that as it may, I think Harry was quite underrated as a character.
1. He was a good friend, and fiercely loyal. In "Non Sequitur", what would have stopped him from just saying "screw it"? Make nice with Starfleet command about Tom, leave him to make his own choices, and let Daniel Byrd stay an ensign for years on end. Marry Libby, make babies, rank up. Nothing would have stopped him... except loyalty to his friends and crew.
2. He was very competent. Captain Janeway is a woman with very high expectations. To exceed said expectations, you would have to be an exceptional officer. But in "Twisted", Janeway says he did just that.
3. Despite being unsuccessful in love, he was something of a catch, romantically. Young, good-looking (I assume), loyal, intelligent... and, according to Linnis in "Before and After", a great dad. And in "Lineage", he gave Tom some pretty good marital advice. Only downsides: according to Tom, he snored, and kept his room too hot at night (maybe having someone warm to cuddle with would fix that).
4. He was eminently promotable. In five separate timelines that I know of, he achieved higher rank. In three if them, command rank. He wasn't under Janeway's command in any of those timelines, though... maybe the fan theory is right, and she did secretly have it in for him!
He absolutely is good-looking.
But his personality was an anchor stalling that pretty face from macking on %75 percent of the women he set his sights on.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Libby only in Non Sequitur?
Fixed it.
Libby was mentioned in exposition very early on.
Oddish, there are a lot of women in the Voyager forum, and the board in general, and it's been expressed that we should all remember that this is not a locker room circa 1985.
That Kim murdered Libby's Kim when he entered her timestream, which could have been phrased better, but she should be homicidally enraged at the idiot pretending to be her boyfriend, which she isn't.
How can you be attracted to someone that dumb?
Oddish, there are a lot of women in the Voyager forum, and the board in general, and it's been expressed that we should all remember that this is not a locker room circa 1985.
That Kim murdered Libby's Kim when he entered her timestream, which could have been phrased better, but she should be homicidally enraged at the idiot pretending to be her boyfriend, which she isn't.
How can you be attracted to someone that dumb?
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Your point is valid. I toned it down a bit.
Harry didn't really murder anyone, even if his counterpart in that timeline did cease to exist. His insertion into the time stream was neither intentional nor welcomed. It's like saying Dorothy actually killed the Wicked Witch of the East just because she was occupying the house that fell on her.
Granted, he didn't intentionally throw himself through that Kim but the likely hood of returning to exactly his home timestream is remote, since Cosmo said that the likely hood of returning to his home timestream was remote.
"Our" Kim chose to maybe kill a Kim from a nearly identical timestream or maybe, but far less likely, fill in the Kim shaped hole from his home timestream.
Criminal intent.
"Our" Kim chose to maybe kill a Kim from a nearly identical timestream or maybe, but far less likely, fill in the Kim shaped hole from his home timestream.
Criminal intent.
I think that since the "prime" Harry Kim had been deposited in the Non Sequitur timeline, he assumed the place of the "alternate" Harry. The latter, the young man who remembered proposing to Libby, and who had created a shuttle design that could have put JG pips on his collar in eight months, had been effectively and permanently obliterated. "Prime" Harry had no say in the matter.
When he returned to Voyager, the alternative timeline went on, with no Harry Kim in it. Since he was presumed to have been vaporized in the shuttle explosion, no one suspected that he no longer existed. Especially since Tom did not escape. An empty shuttle might have roused some suspicion, since there was no organic residue in the debris. Thanks to Tom, there was.
As far as anyone was concerned, model officer Harry Kim lost his marbles, hooked up with the Maquis, staged a shuttle robbery, and was killed along with his accomplice. No one ever knew that he had been neatly erased days earlier.
When he returned to Voyager, the alternative timeline went on, with no Harry Kim in it. Since he was presumed to have been vaporized in the shuttle explosion, no one suspected that he no longer existed. Especially since Tom did not escape. An empty shuttle might have roused some suspicion, since there was no organic residue in the debris. Thanks to Tom, there was.
As far as anyone was concerned, model officer Harry Kim lost his marbles, hooked up with the Maquis, staged a shuttle robbery, and was killed along with his accomplice. No one ever knew that he had been neatly erased days earlier.
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