The Hypothetical Free-For-all Thread!

[starsuperion]

Okay, let's say that the powers that be in Lucas Films, and Paramount pictures, and the BBC got together, and decided to make a big budget 3 sequel movie run of an all out battle of the universes..were the Star Trek Universe, Doctor Who Universe, and the Star Wars Universe converged in some weird cosmic calamity, and you got a wonderful cross over blitz that actually worked..

say the doctor, a starfleet officer, a klingon, a young jedi, and a vulcan.. all on the same team, trying to set the universe right, all out war has broken out..

who would be the major players in this hypothetical scenario?

what would work as a plot?

How does this impact each race? would the Sontarans team up with the Tholians? The Rutans and the Romulans? The Daleks and the trade federation droid warriors? Or better yet, the Daleks and the Empire remnant?

what setting for each universe would work best? future Trek, post rebellion era, classic who?

Just a bit of fandom fun here..

would the main character have to be the doctor? could he be another time lord off in his own adventure?? maybe a cameo by the doctor just to show he knows this time lord is sealed in another universal reality?? maybe??

anyhow, I would love to hear the ideas you guys have, and discussions of who would win or who would ally themselves to win Total Multiverse Galactic Supremacy!

 

[Kibbin]

If the doctor were to appear in another universe like this, I wouldn't object to him aboard some small freighter in the middle of the conflict, I wouldn't want him to meet anyone major, but maybe arrive on a ship under attack by the borg or something akin to the Tantive fleeing with Rebel plans.
If he were to take an assistant I'd probably only want a temporary one.

 

[starsuperion]

If the doctor were to appear in another universe like this, I wouldn't object to him aboard some small freighter in the middle of the conflict, I wouldn't want him to meet anyone major, but maybe arrive on a ship under attack by the borg or something akin to the Tantive fleeing with Rebel plans.
If he were to take an assistant I'd probably only want a temporary one.

yeah I was thinking if this were done, no major characters would be in it.. but we could have new jedi's or have sith in it.. it would be pretty cool to see what alien alliances are made, and which ones go to war with each other..

a return of Gallifrey and an unholy alliance of rassilon and a sith lord..interesting..

actually I would think that Rassilon and the time lords would figure out a way to inhibit the Meddiclorine count and eradicate the jedi or Sith power base.

 

[Whofan]

Star Wars has had some influence on WHO, I think, here and there. I'm not entirely sure, but K-9 appeared around the same time R2-D2 did, didn't he? Also the Master's Saxon plan has some similarities to Palpatines, and the wizened Palpatine in SITH and the OT has some visual similarities to the decaying incarnation of the Master.

Also, the other way around; Daleks have appeared in some STAR WARS comics as background Droids.




Ditto with Trek, there's definetly been a few nods between the two. In fact season 27 was going to start with a Star Trek parody of sorts, with Ace being a captain of a ship and going to her ready room, to find the Doctor sitting in her chair. She goes "This isn't going to work, professor!"


Since the TARDIS can go anywhere, anytime, it could technically work.

 

[The Wormhole]

Red Shirts are avoiding fire from Stormtroopers, because they can't hit target. Daleks arrive on the scene and exterminate all of them.

 

[Davros]

Trek and Wars would have to team up if they wanted a chance to resist the might of the Daleks.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Cybermen would meet the Borg and call them posers.

 

[Admiral_Young]

The Borg would be able to assimilate the Cybus Cybermen and I think would eventually be able to do the same against the Daleks after a lengthy, prolonged war. Both have time travel technology as "First Contact" showed us...the Dalek's obviously have more advanced time travel technology as they seemingly keep coming back from oblivion.

 

[starsuperion]

Star Wars has had some influence on WHO, I think, here and there. I'm not entirely sure, but K-9 appeared around the same time R2-D2 did, didn't he? Also the Master's Saxon plan has some similarities to Palpatines, and the wizened Palpatine in SITH and the OT has some visual similarities to the decaying incarnation of the Master.

Also, the other way around; Daleks have appeared in some STAR WARS comics as background Droids.




Ditto with Trek, there's definetly been a few nods between the two. In fact season 27 was going to start with a Star Trek parody of sorts, with Ace being a captain of a ship and going to her ready room, to find the Doctor sitting in her chair. She goes "This isn't going to work, professor!"


Since the TARDIS can go anywhere, anytime, it could technically work.

Fascinating!!

Red Shirts are avoiding fire from Stormtroopers, because they can't hit target. Daleks arrive on the scene and exterminate all of them.

Brutal.. seriously Brutal.. poor red shirts..

Trek and Wars would have to team up if they wanted a chance to resist the might of the Daleks.

This may be true, however, I think that Vader could choke all those daleks in their own shells..fleet wide

The Cybermen would meet the Borg and call them posers.

Nah, cybermen get assimilated..

The Borg would be able to assimilate the Cybus Cybermen and I think would eventually be able to do the same against the Daleks after a lengthy, prolonged war. Both have time travel technology as "First Contact" showed us...the Dalek's obviously have more advanced time travel technology as they seemingly keep coming back from oblivion.

This is true.. I think that a Borg would eventually suffer a dalek designed organic virus, since the borg are half living..
the daleks are sealed off in mobile tanks..I think they could take the Borg..

 

[starsuperion]

I am wondering something...

if the Atlanteans of stargate atlantis ascended to pure energy form, does that make them more powerful then the time lords? I am just past episode 14 of the 1st season of the series, on netflix ROKU and I must say, It looks like the Ancients as the humans call them, are more advanced then the time lords, given their existence for a billion years, and in the end of time Rassilon decided to try ascension, but only through the destruction of all reality..

if the Ancient Atlanteans are already ascended and it only took their race a few thousand years, then their technology was more powerful wouldn't you say?

anyhow..just wondering who was considered more advanced then??

 

[The Wormhole]

I'd say Time Lords are more powerful than the Ancients, if only because the Time Lords could create things like ships with an interior larger than the exterior and could travel from one end of the universe to the other in no time and back again. And oh yeah they had mastery over time itself.

The Ancients aren't quite that advanced. It took one of their starships several million (billion?) years to reach the other end of the universe, and it going back any time soon. True, their Stargates can connect across that distance, but only through power from a super rare type of planet, and this usually destroys that planet. Ancients aren't too lucky at time travel. One of their attempts to convert the Stargate into a time machine resulted in a Groundhog Day style time loop, and the scientist who eventually did make a successful time machine was shunned by the other Ancients and had to work in secret. And the Stargates can act as accidental time portals if its wormhole passes through a solar flare.

So really, the fact that Ancients found a harmless way to ascend while Time Lords had to destroy everything to accomplish it, can be attributed to Rassilon's insanity creating a desire to destroy everything just for the hell of it.

 

[starsuperion]

I'd say Time Lords are more powerful than the Ancients, if only because the Time Lords could create things like ships with an interior larger than the exterior and could travel from one end of the universe to the other in no time and back again. And oh yeah they had mastery over time itself.

The Ancients aren't quite that advanced. It took one of their starships several million (billion?) years to reach the other end of the universe, and it going back any time soon. True, their Stargates can connect across that distance, but only through power from a super rare type of planet, and this usually destroys that planet. Ancients aren't too lucky at time travel. One of their attempts to convert the Stargate into a time machine resulted in a Groundhog Day style time loop, and the scientist who eventually did make a successful time machine was shunned by the other Ancients and had to work in secret. And the Stargates can act as accidental time portals if its wormhole passes through a solar flare.

So really, the fact that Ancients found a harmless way to ascend while Time Lords had to destroy everything to accomplish it, can be attributed to Rassilon's insanity creating a desire to destroy everything just for the hell of it.

I don't understand, how exactly did the time lords control all of time? the thing that bothers me is that if the time lords were supposed to have been as powerful as they were, then how the heck could they have been defeated by the daleks? couldn't they have wiped them out of existence?? put a shield around skarro so the daleks were time looped never to leave?? it seems silly to me that there are some accounts that label the time lords as all powerful and such, and yet things happen in the universe that is beyond their control, and the series contradicts that assertion like so many writers apply to their books and in some fans minds..

I?f the time lords were all powerful then they never would have been defeated by a race of mutant-Octopi in a can..

as for the Atlantean tech, was the Atlanteans who fouled up the wormholes and stargate time travel or the humans who found it 10 thousand years later??

Dimensional tech is great, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the time lords were more advanced, consider they didn't have a stargate type system of travel cause they went a different route, but the same principle of time travel and wormhole tech still applies, I think that the assertion that time is anchored to gallifrey somehow and that the time lords have a mastery of time is kinda off, because with mastery over time, they should be able to defeat the daleks.. rules seemd to be broken in the time war, so why not interfere before the daleks became a threat?? seal off their world, like the Vargans had done to them (invasion of time)??

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

The mistake the Time Lords made in trying to stop the Daleks was that they sent a wishy-washy pacifist instead of a steely-eyed cyborg to kill the enemy in its infancy.

say the doctor, a starfleet officer, a klingon, a young jedi, and a vulcan..

...all walk into a bar...

Seriously, I have a hard time reconciling all 3 of these universes at the same time. I don't think the style of Star Wars fits at all. Although, I occasionally get geek-gasms at the idea of the Borg assimilating Darth Vader, then Vader using his massive willpower & Force abilities to subdue the Borg Collective from within.

Meanwhile, I was once working on a Doctor Who/Star Trek: Voyager fanfic. Shortly after the events of "Doomsday," the TARDIS got sucked through another hole in the void into the Star Trek universe. This time though, it was deliberate (since we knew from "Scorpion" that the Borg were searching other dimensions for new species to assimilate). After narrowly escaping a Borg cube, the Doctor winds up on Voyager (with Seven of Nine serving as a sort of temporary companion). From there, we learn that the Borg's real target was the Daleks. The Borg end up pulling both the Daleks & the Cybus Cybermen into the Delta Quadrant. You get this massive 3-way war between the 3 species, although the Cybermen aren't involved quite as much. (The Borg won't assimilate the Cybus Cybermen because they would detract from perfection.) Meanwhile, the Daleks are wiping the floor with the Borg. Sure, the Borg might eventually adapt, but they're taking such heavy losses due to superior Dalek firepower that they may be totally exterminated before they get the chance.

Eventually, the Doctor & Seven figure out how to send the Daleks & Cybermen back into the void. Seven uses her nanoprobes to revive the TARDIS. The TARDIS is now able to adapt & function in alternate universes without damage. However, he still can't cross dimensional barriers without causing harm to those dimensions and to the walls between realities.

The difficulty with doing a Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover is how to balance the intelligences of the Doctor vs. the Starfleet crew. I figured the best way to do it would be to make the Doctor be the smartest person in the room but the Starfleet crew are more knowledgeable about the Borg and a lot of the other stuff going on, since they have the home field advantage. It makes it much more vital that they work together.

Also, I framed it as a Doctor Who story, not a Star Trek one because the Doctor Who premise is so flexible that it more easily adapts to other story formats. There are tons of Doctor Who stories where the Doctor materializes aboard a spaceship and saves the crew from an alien menace. OTOH, on the rare occasions when Star Trek ships take on visiting scientists, they usually turn out to be either bad guys or arrogant incompetants. Either way, its up to our usual Starfleet heroes to solve the problems caused by the malicious/misguided actions of the visiting scientist.

Star Trek also can't handle a lot of guest stars without marginalizing a bunch of its regulars. Whereas prominent guest stars are the bread & butter of Doctor Who.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't understand, how exactly did the time lords control all of time? the thing that bothers me is that if the time lords were supposed to have been as powerful as they were, then how the heck could they have been defeated by the daleks? couldn't they have wiped them out of existence?? put a shield around skarro so the daleks were time looped never to leave?? it seems silly to me that there are some accounts that label the time lords as all powerful and such, and yet things happen in the universe that is beyond their control, and the series contradicts that assertion like so many writers apply to their books and in some fans minds..

I?f the time lords were all powerful then they never would have been defeated by a race of mutant-Octopi in a can..

I did not mean to say the Time Lords controlled time, but they did have the ability to travel to another point in time as easily as spacefaring races can travel to other planets.

And really the Daleks also had some mastery over time, which is probably why the Time Lords weren't able to use any temporal tricks to stop them. In fact, it's possible the Daleks were the only true rivals the Time Lords had and that is very well what probably led to the Time War.

as for the Atlantean tech, was the Atlanteans who fouled up the wormholes and stargate time travel or the humans who found it 10 thousand years later??

Technically no one fouled it up, the Stargate turning into a time portal when the wormhole passed through a solar flare was just an unforseen side effect no one prepared for. Considering it effects all forms of Stargates, even the one on Destiny, it was a design flaw the Ancients made.

Dimensional tech is great, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the time lords were more advanced, consider they didn't have a stargate type system of travel cause they went a different route, but the same principle of time travel and wormhole tech still applies, I think that the assertion that time is anchored to gallifrey somehow and that the time lords have a mastery of time is kinda off, because with mastery over time, they should be able to defeat the daleks.. rules seemd to be broken in the time war, so why not interfere before the daleks became a threat?? seal off their world, like the Vargans had done to them (invasion of time)??

Why would the Time Lords need Stargate-like devices? The Doctor's outdated TARDIS can zip from the Medusa's Cascade (said to be at the edge of the universe) to Earth's solar system in a matter of minutes, and that's while hauling an entire planet behind it. Just imagine what the later models were capable of. A TARDIS can travel all around the universe without draining a ZPM or blowing up a planet, so they wouldn't really need to build Stargates or similar devices.

And I would guess the Daleks protected their early days with a time lock to prevent the Time Lord or anyone else from interfering with their origins.

 

[starsuperion]

I don't understand, how exactly did the time lords control all of time? the thing that bothers me is that if the time lords were supposed to have been as powerful as they were, then how the heck could they have been defeated by the daleks? couldn't they have wiped them out of existence?? put a shield around skarro so the daleks were time looped never to leave?? it seems silly to me that there are some accounts that label the time lords as all powerful and such, and yet things happen in the universe that is beyond their control, and the series contradicts that assertion like so many writers apply to their books and in some fans minds..

I?f the time lords were all powerful then they never would have been defeated by a race of mutant-Octopi in a can..

I did not mean to say the Time Lords controlled time, but they did have the ability to travel to another point in time as easily as spacefaring races can travel to other planets.

And really the Daleks also had some mastery over time, which is probably why the Time Lords weren't able to use any temporal tricks to stop them. In fact, it's possible the Daleks were the only true rivals the Time Lords had and that is very well what probably led to the Time War.

as for the Atlantean tech, was the Atlanteans who fouled up the wormholes and stargate time travel or the humans who found it 10 thousand years later??

Technically no one fouled it up, the Stargate turning into a time portal when the wormhole passed through a solar flare was just an unforseen side effect no one prepared for. Considering it effects all forms of Stargates, even the one on Destiny, it was a design flaw the Ancients made.

Dimensional tech is great, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the time lords were more advanced, consider they didn't have a stargate type system of travel cause they went a different route, but the same principle of time travel and wormhole tech still applies, I think that the assertion that time is anchored to gallifrey somehow and that the time lords have a mastery of time is kinda off, because with mastery over time, they should be able to defeat the daleks.. rules seemd to be broken in the time war, so why not interfere before the daleks became a threat?? seal off their world, like the Vargans had done to them (invasion of time)??

Why would the Time Lords need Stargate-like devices? The Doctor's outdated TARDIS can zip from the Medusa's Cascade (said to be at the edge of the universe) to Earth's solar system in a matter of minutes, and that's while hauling an entire planet behind it. Just imagine what the later models were capable of. A TARDIS can travel all around the universe without draining a ZPM or blowing up a planet, so they wouldn't really need to build Stargates or similar devices.

And I would guess the Daleks protected their early days with a time lock to prevent the Time Lord or anyone else from interfering with their origins.

the stargate thing was me being tired and stupid.. sorry...

I think that the daleks did not have the ability to time lock their world, if they did they could unlock a time lock, and the time lords who have more experience with time travel could have unlocked it..but I understand now how they harnessed time and anchored it to Gallifrey.. whereby they could manipulate time..keep reality in certain areas untouched..

they anchored the string lines (string theory) to their world, and used them as super highways..the untempered schism is actually an uncontrolled string theory energy line..the eye of harmony probably gave them the ability to control and smooth out these lines for use with traveling in time and space.. so yeah, I can see the time lords being very powerful.. however, the ancients did ascend.. and apparently their super powerful in their ascened state, which means they are free of time-space as the time lords know it..