The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies Grade/Discuss (Spoilers)

I don't think so, Elves are often referred to as "firstborn", and LOTR wiki says they "awoke" three ages before men.

 

I never felt that Bilbo got shoved out of the story. He is an integral part of each of the films, and has the best scenes. It's just that he, in contrast to Frodo, is only a bystander in huge events that unfold. Frodo single handedly destroys Sauron, and gets the citizens of Rohan and Gondor bow before him, and everyone in Middle-Earth knows him. All Bilbo gets is a treasure chest and the thank you of a company of dwarves, and he isn't becoming a celebrity.

Bilbo and Gollum, and Bilbo and Smaug, those two sequences are my favorite sequences of all 6 movies now. The Extended Edition of Desolation is really good.

 

Samwise Gamgee would like a word with you!

 

If I recall the books correctly (been a LONG time since I've read them), at one point in time, Aragorn was living under an assumed name to protect his true identity as the future king. So that's probably what the sly reference was about. We're decades away from the events of the LOTR at this point, so it makes sense.

But you have to really know your books to get the reference.

 

^ I knew who Strider was and that he had been living under an assumed name. It was the very mention of him which I found unnecessary. I just don't like that sort of retrospective foreshadowing in prequel films.

 

I'd like two extra versions when it's released to buy.

The extended version with ALL of the extra stuff that was filmed put back in, regardless of flow and pacing considerations.

And

A cut to the bone version of the whole trilogy resulting in one 3 to 4 hour movie with all of the extraneous stuff excised, the over the top fight scenes/acrobatics trimmed and the focus on what was actually in the novel.

We'll only get the first one - maybe we'll get a fan edit to deliver the second.

 

That would reduce the 3rd movie to maybe about 5 minutes!

 

That's what I'm waiting for. Based on the experience I had with Lord of the Rings, I knew it would be best to wait. Sure, there are extended editions available now, but after the third film has hit home video, they will release a box set of the extended editions of the trilogy with even more extras, footage, etc. It made waiting a whole lot easier.

 

Hmm, the Silmarillion account of the "music" they created that brought about the universe and life that Melkor interfered with only mentions it bringing them into being, it doesn't give a better idea of how far between. But alright, must be somewhere.

 

Ahhh... Gotcha... I understand where you're coming from now.

 

Actually I liked him up to the point where Bard is picked to lead them. Nor did I mind him as a goffer for Gandalf. Now outside of those two bits I disliked him considerable.

But in each of the three times I have seen the movie him in drag gets the loudest positive reaction from the audience of the movie outside of Smaug crushing the master.

I groaned at the drag scene the audience roared.

 

I saw it twice and both audiences loved Alfrid in drag.

What I like about it is that he was completely unapologetic about it. He wasn't acting like a doofus or having a comedic whoops I'm caught moment. He was deadly serious about avoiding battle.

I'm quite shocked they didn't show him getting stuck by an Orc while he was escaping with the gold.

 

I saw it my THIRD time today

I always tear up a) when the White Council attacks Dol Guldor and b) when Thranduil comforts Legolas and Tauriel.

My biggest surprise with the last film is what they did with Thranduil. He went from a generic asshole in the second film to an interesting and textured character in this one with a tragic backstory explaining his actions. Also, he was a badass fighter.

I feel like there was a missing scene with Legolas in the opening that we'll see in the Extended Edition. We last see him charging after Bolg out of Laketown, then he reappears on the show saying Bolg's going to Gundabad with some Wargs. Why isn't he chasing him anymore? I want to see that scene.

 

He's the star of Pushing Daisies and The Fall as well. And he was Ronan the Accuser in Guardians of the Galaxy. But he'll always be the pie maker to me.

 

For my family, as well. We've watched Pushing Daisies at least three times, both seasons, first to last.

 

I love Pushing Daisies. Nice to see him getting some big screen work, even if he's fairly unrecognisable and it doesn't avail of his Jimmy Stewart-esque charm.

 

Yes, thank you!

And computer game music.