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The Formula One 2008 Season Thread

Zulu Romeo

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So, with 2 weeks to go until the start of the new F1 season, what thoughts are on everyone's minds?

Pre-season testing has proven to be very interesting, with Renault showing some pretty disappointing performances so far, the McLarens and Ferraris still showing their stuff, and the Williams team seemingly the most promising with some impressive testing results.

I wonder if Fernando Alonso will see this season as a "work in progress" rather than as a credible title challenge year. It is also Lewis Hamilton's "make or break" season, as he'll have to justify the hype and expectation built up over the last 12 months if he is to be "the next Schumacher" as everyone seems to insist he is. We can't rule out Jenson Button, though, especially now that Ross Brawn, the Brit who helped Michael Schumacher to glory at Ferrari, is the new Honda team boss. Heikki Kovalainen will probably get his first win this year, although it's too early to say if he'll be a championship contender if McLaren's season both on the track and off it (see below) is decidedly rocky. Plus we can't dismiss the Williams team with Nico Rosberg and Kazuki Nakajima (two sons of former F1 drivers) who might well fight it out with the BMW Sauber drivers for the prize of "best of the rest". Still, Kimi Raikonnen is still the man to beat, having had the psychological boost of starting as World Champion and the relative stability of the Scuderia Ferrari line-up (yes, they managed to cope without Schumacher and Brawn for a year) alongside plucky Brazilian driver Felipe Massa. Speaking of plucky Brazilians, none other than Nelson Piquet Jr (son of 3-times world champion Nelson Piquet) makes his debut this year at Renault. Will he be a Damon Hill or a Michael Andretti? Who knows.

Unfortunately there's no escaping the off-track shenanigans again. :rolleyes: The latest news is that the Italian police are pursuing Ron Dennis and the McLaren team over the so-called "spying row" from last season. Rumours are rife that this will be Dennis's last season as team principal due to the strain and controversy, and of course the humiliation of making a grovelling public apology. I wonder how badly the US$100m fine will hit the Woking-based team this year. On a lighter note, Super Aguri will probably be with us for one more season, having been so close to financial ruin during winter testing, also giving Anthony Davidson one more year in the cockpit.

And what of Formula One as a whole? Has its credibility gone for good in the light of the spying row, the alleged "racist" taunts at Hamilton during Spanish testing, and the machinations of Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone in keeping the whole show going? What now for the British Grand Prix at Silverstone? Are the likes of Lewis Hamilton good for the sport? Does anyone want Michael Schumacher back?
 
I'm starting to get the buzz again! I can't wait for the big all night Aussie GP experiance.:thumbsup:

My thoughts for the season. I can't see nothing other than a two horse race for the title between Lewis Hamilton & Kimi Raikonnen, although I hope Kovalainan & Massa can mix it up with them. I expect Alonso to be off the pace in his Renault, but get stronger as the season progresses. And I'm hoping Rosberg, Button, Kubica , and Vettel can take big steps forward this year. And it will be interesting to see Sebastian Bourdais in F1 at last after dominating Champ Car, while he is in a back-of-the-grid team, if he impresses, I would expect him to move forward.:)

BRG's predictions.

Ferarri I expect them to challenge for both titles, with Raikonnen & Massa winning races.

McLaren Again, title contenders. I predict Hamilton will pip Kimi to the crown, with Kovalainan also getting a few wins in an impressive season.

BMW Could they finally take that elusive race win in 2008? I'm not sure, but I predict another strong season, battleing Renault for 3rd.

Renault I believe they will start to make strides towards the top two. A tough battle with BMW for 3rd, with Alonso scoring often, and perhaps stealing a win.

Williams I suspect a vintage year!:) Good points, an odd podium, and hanging onto the coat tails of Renault & BMW. Another excellent season for Rosberg, but I'm not sure about Nakajima, I fear he is in the team on the orders of engine supplier Toyota.

Honda A slow start, but steady progress is predicted. Button to punch above his weight again, and Barrichello to bow out after breaking Patrese's GP start record.

Red Bull Like Honda, a steady year, with an odd great result by DC & Webber.

Toyota I sensationally predict yet another mediocre year, with Trulli hanging up his helmet, and another round of management sackings. How much longer will Toyota put up with this ludicrously expensive humiliation which has been their F1 adventure? :brickwall:

Toro Rosso An interesting on this! While I expect a slow car struggleing at the back, the have an excellent driver line up with the two Sebastian's. I think both will outshine their cars and win better seats next season. With Bourdais moving to Red Bull, and Vettel stepping into BMW.

Force India Tail End Misery! And know doubt they could end up sold & renamed mid season once again! And a final fling for Fisi?

Super Aguri Ah! The wee team everybody loves! :beer: They are apparently on the verge of collapse once more, but I predict another fine season, with Sato & Davidson maybe sneeking an odd point.:)

Prodrive Aye, this worked out well!:rolleyes::guffaw:

Sorry for going on a bit, but BRG loves his F1!;)
BRG
 
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Yes, Sébastien Bourdais should be an interesting prospect this season. If STR can pull off a decent car for him, he might well be snapped up by the bigger teams very soon.
 
I think SeaBass might surprise with a podium. If he sees any opportunity, he WILL take it. I agree with AutoSport that it's probably a 3-man show this year, though. I'll pull for Lewis again but I think Ferrari are simply on another planet. It shouldn't be very reassuring to the other teams that Shumi seems to be taking on a real testing/development role this year, either.
 
It'll be a boon for the huge F1-mad European audience seeing a GP on Asian soil live while tucking into our dinners. ;)


Anyway, there's a preview show on right now on ITV-1 for UK viewers like me who don't have Sky or Setanta.
 
I'm also looking forward to the night race. Apparently the Qatar QP in MotoGP this weekend is a night race.:)
I also see wee Bernie is threatining Austrailia to switch to a night race or lose their GP. I believe Mayasia are aslo being pressured to race under the lights. Soon every race will be timed for a 12:00GMT star just to suit us lazy Europeans who can't get up early on a Sunday.:rolleyes:

Alas, I missed the ITV preview show.:( Hopefully it will be repeated one ot the ITV channels. However, I suspect it will be yet another Lewis Hamilton love-in, with an odd mention of the other Brits, WDC Kimi Raikkonen, and the Evil Spanish Bastard.;)
Unfortunatly, a few reviews I have read seem to indicate that Ferrari are quite clearly faster than McLaren, who in turn are a good second faster than the pack. This could mean a season with Kimi running away with the title unopposed, like a few Schumacher championships for Ferrari.

Hope they are wrong and we get a good fight.:)
BRG
 
Oh yes, "Rider and Martin's Love In" with Lewis was in full force. ;) Some previews of the Singapore and Valencia "street" races too. Both circuits seem partly custom-built with fast straights and run-off areas especially in Valencia (billed as the 3rd-fastest on the calendar :eek:), meaning no slow trundles around the shops like in Monaco. :p Although worringly both circuits feature a segment over a narrow bridge over a water area. Singapore's 1/5 of pure racetrack (4/5's is street) still seemed incomplete from Martin's coverage, I hope it's built in time...

Speaking of building new things, we got a sneak preview of the New Silverstone on the BBC website. It's not quite Shanghai...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7277053.stm
 
I hope there will be some good competition this year. I want Lewis to win, 'cos he's our boy with the best chance, and I don't want last year's greatness to be a flash in the pan. Now that Brawn is with Honda I hope they can recover from last year's crapfest, and I'd like to see Button do well. I also hope Williams and BMW have a good year.
 
Looks like BBC Sport's website is pulling out all the stops with this season's preview. It appears to be in development at present - the driver profiles are still not updated since pre-season testing - and some of the pages are missing. It seems like this year's "driver's eye" columnist is Mark Webber...
 
I was pleased to see Super Aguri appear to have secured their long term future.:) However, I am puzzled by the deal with this Magma group.:confused:

Have they bought the whole team outright, or just a stake in the team?
If it is a full buy-out, what is future of Aguri Suzuki with the team, and the future of their Honda support?
And will they change their name to Magma and race as a British team, or retain the Super Aguri name under a Japanese racing licence?

I'm a bit dazzed & confused by this!:eek::lol: However, like most F1 fans, I instantly took to this plucky wee team, and I'm delighted Sato & Davidson will be on the grid in Melbourne. But I'm afraid the character of this great wee team could be lost as happened to the colourful Jordan team a few years ago when the souless Midland group took over.:(

Still, it looks like they will be stuck as tail end charlies this season. Force India appear to have made quite a big step forward from last season's Spyker over the winter tests. But the head guy at Magma, Martin Leach, he does sound like a man with racing at heart. Apparenly he used to race in the lower formula, and has held top posts at Ford and Maserati.:thumbsup:
BRG
 
Well, it's official: Ron Dennis will NOT quit McLaren

I can see this stance will change if McLaren proves to be uncompetitive this year (despite... I mean because of superior Ferrari technology... slip of the tongue there, sorry... :devil:).

On the other hand, I think he'd like to stay on just because since the shenanigans last year he's got something to prove not only to Ferrari but also to Max & Bernie, and of course he doesn't want to let his young charge Hamilton down. I hope it doesn't end in tears...
 
I'm glad Ron's sticking it out. Maybe it's because I'm an American, but, just how come the REAL culprit, Stepney, seems to be avoiding ANY type of criminal charges or recriminations even close to the level Ron Dennis has been receiving?
 
It's commonly thought among some McLaren fans that FIA boss Max Mosley has a personal vendetta against Ron Dennis and would love to see him and his little team run into the ground, and would use any excuse to do so. Others believe Ferrari are pulling the strings at the FIA - after all, they won the 2007 Constructors Championship in the courts, let's not allow McLaren and Lewis Hamilton to claim the Driver's Championship in the same way following the cool-fuel allegations levelled at Williams and BMW-Sauber at Brazil last year, right? Some (mostly McLaren haters) truly believe that Ron Dennis cheated his way to a competitive car in 2007, by pretending not to know about Coughlan and Stepney's communications over the Ferrari technical dossier. Few others still believe that Kimi Raikonnen is a truly talented driver and that the real truth is that he drove competently and intelligently (and bloody fast) in the last few races to steal the world drivers championship from Alonso and Hamilton.

It's all conspiracy theories, it seems, but whatever the truth, I really do sympathise with Dennis, having gone through the wringer over the last 9 months or so - at the cost of his marriage too, it seems. Personally, I believe the conspiracy theory about Raikonnen being the faster and less inexperienced driver. ;)
 
Ron needs to find the 80's magic!

Aye, old Ron Dennis. Prepare for a long BRG rant!:p;)

I've never really liked the guy, he always came over as a smug, slimey, humourless man. However, he is a great team boss, one of the greatest ever in the sport, so I'm glad he is staying. Also, just like Sir Frank Williams, and Sir Alex Ferguson, I believe his life revolves round his sport, and would be lost if he gave it up.

Last season was a complete disaster. However, I don't believe Ron could have known what he had let into his house when he hired Fernando Alonso. I believe Dennis should have twigged what an insecure man Alonso was early on, and simply made him undisputed Number 1 in the team, and punted him back to Renault as soon as he bagged the title.
If he had stamped out the first rumbles of discontent after Monaco, and had Lewis back him up, then Alonso would not have blackmailed the team with the spy data,meaning-
They would not have been fined $50million.
Alonso would have won the WDC for the team.
They would have won the WCC.
Alonso would have left the team happy.
And the would have a new superstar lead driver in Lewis Hamilton for 2008.

Ah, the benifit of hindsight!:lol:
But has Ron Dennis lost his magic touch?
Remember this is the guy who ran Niki Lauda & Alain Prost in the same team for two seasons, with each taking a WDC. Then Alain Prost & Keke Rosberg for a season. Followed by the staggering dream team of Ayrton Senna & Alain Prost, again while a fractious relationship(to say the least!) they still both took a WDC.
However, recent pairings have often led to Ron favouring one driver on a personal level, with the other feeling an outcast.
Hakkinen & Coulthard, after Mika's near fatal accedent, Ron clearly took Mika under his wing, while was cold toward DC.
Raikonnen & Montoya, after stealing Kimi from under Ferrari's nose, Ron had a pesonal bond with the Finn, which left JPM feeling like a spair wheel.
Alonso & Hamilton, Lewis was Ron's prodigy, a boy he has molded from an 8 year old to be the perfect Mclaren driver. Alonso was always going to be second best.
I feel Ron has to get some distance from his drivers, as clearly he is unable to stop himself from favouring one over the other. And this clearly led to the disaster in 2007 when they blew a double World Championship in THE most spectacular way.;)
BRG
 
Re: Ron needs to find the 80's magic!

Breaking News! - due to problems with losses each year it is run, the organisers of the 2008 ING Australian Grand Prix have had to seek a second major sponsor, this time pulling in one of the Australian beer manufacturers.

It will now be called the XXXXING Australian Grand Prix.




(sorry)
 
Lonemagpie;1432740/ said:
If ITV's still showing it, I'm still not watching it.

I'm afraid they are.:(

Another year of Steve Rider loitering outside the McLaren garage gazing lovingly at Lewis Hamilton.:mad:
Another year of Mark Blundell stating the bloody obvious.:mad:
Another year of the pointless Ted Kravitz.:mad:
Another year of 95% fanboy coverage of Lewis Hamilton, 4% Jenson Button, and 1% everybody else.:mad:
Another year of James Allen, with his obsession with pitstop strategy, and his dodgy Murry Walker impression- GOOOooo...!:mad:
And another year of cutting to an ad break just as THE critical part of the race unfolds!:mad:

But still, beggars can't be choosers. It is free, and we have the brilliant Martin Brundle.:thumbsup:
BRG

PS- Just to give credit where it is due. ITV have secured the online rights to F1 coverage in the UK. As well as simucasting the race & qualifying with their TV coverage, the will also brodcast free practice online! Excellent news for us obsessive who can't get enough F1.;)
It is at http://www.itv-f1.com.
 
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And another year of cutting to an ad break just as THE critical part of the race unfolds!:mad:


That's the one that clinches it for me. I (and I've said this so many times) remember watching the Monaco one on their first year of showing it, and Coulthard, I think, was in the lead. Then they had an ad and came back from it with "while you were watching the ads, Coulthard's engine exploded and the whole race order has changed!"

To which I said "fuck this shit" and have never watched since, despite following it religiously beforehand.

I mean, what other sport is treated this way? Can you imagine ads in the middle of a cup match or the final at Wimbledon? There'd be riots in the streets!
 
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