The First Duty

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So TNG "THE FIRST DUTY" the accident occurred when they were practicing an illegal maneuver... or was it the actual demonstration? Either way it makes little sense. Once they practice a banned maneuver they would get expelled for doing it before graduating, yet they would never do it without practicing.

 

[ScottJ85]

I think they were assuming they'd be exonerated if they managed to flawlessly pull it off, but you've got a point. Either they get disciplinary action when they're caught practising, or they get disciplinary action after the display.

 

[Finn]

So TNG "THE FIRST DUTY" the accident occurred when they were practicing an illegal maneuver... ir was it the actual demonstration? Either way it makes little sense. Once they oractice a banned maneuver they would get exoelled for doing it before graduating, yet they wiuld never do it without practicing.

Tom Paris was quite persuasive.







Yes, that was on purpose

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

My thing about this is:

If they practiced the maneuver, and if they actually opened the intakes and purged the plasma exhaust during training then the Academy would KNOW they were doing an illegal maneuver and even if they succeeded they would be expelled.. and this would all be BEFORE the actual graduation ceremony. I think Locarno would know that in order to go out in a blaze of glory they would have ONE chance to do this, that any practice they would have would have to LOOK like something else, and it certainly would not actually involving purging the engine (even though the final maneuver would involve that)

 

[Kor]

Perhaps they were thinking they would get a "commendation for original thinking" like Kirk did when he cheated on the Kobayashi Maru test.

Kor

 

[Jedman67]

I don't remember the details, but one of the cadets was killed while practicing the maneuver (crashed? flamed out?). Apparently it was so dangerous that the tiniest slip up could be deadly, and due to starfleet not wanting a rash of preventable flight deaths on their hands wisely banned it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I don't remember the details, but one of the cadets was killed while practicing the maneuver (crashed? flamed out?). Apparently it was so dangerous that the tiniest slip up could be deadly, and due to starfleet not wanting a rash of preventable flight deaths on their hands wisely banned it.

the maneuver had been banned years before when all five pilots were killed trying it. Locarno got his team to do it again to go out graduating in a blaze of glory. My question is, the training accident Locarno had (where only one pilot was killed) happened before graduation, and even if they had succeeded they would have been expelled

 

[Khan Jr]

Nova Squad performed a banned maneuver, got someone killed, concealed the facts, blamed their dead friend, lied during an official investigation, and STILL only one of them was expelled. With an Academy that lenient, there's no way the cadets would face more severe punishment in this hypothetical scenario where they just did the Kolvoord Starburst successfully.

Personally, I would have canned the whole lot of them.

 

[Lance]

The First Duty of every Starfleet Dentist is to the TOOTH! Whether that be a scientific tooth or historical tooth or personal tooth! And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and pull that tooth, then you don't deserve to wear that dentists smock.

 

[Nakita Akita]

It was a silly premiss.
But it was a fun episode. We get to see Wesly the Wonderful get his butt kicked.
I never really understood why he was considered so great. He didn't even get an early admittance to the Academy!

 

[Takeru]

It was always a bit silly that Wesley was a genius who was able to work alongside officers (and at one point was in charge giving orders), piloted the flagship, at several points figured out things before the senior officers, showed understanding of alien cultures and the ability to make difficult decisions and remain calm when he tried to get into the academy in Coming of Age etc. but for years the academy was like "Yeah, better luck next time". With those insanely high standards it's no surprise the entirety of starfleet graduates from the same teeny tiny campus in San Francisco.

 

[Makarov]

I wanna know if the truth really is the first duty of a Starfleet officer in the handbook somewhere or did Picard make that up on the spot

 

[Nakita Akita]

I wanna know if the truth really is the first duty of a Starfleet officer in the handbook somewhere or did Picard make that up on the spot

I thought he made it up.

 

[Tosk]

So TNG "THE FIRST DUTY" the accident occurred when they were practicing an illegal maneuver... or was it the actual demonstration? Either way it makes little sense. Once they practice a banned maneuver they would get expelled for doing it before graduating, yet they would never do it without practicing.

Joshua was killed in a practice run. Evidently, their maneuvers are not closely monitored on the flight range, so they knew they could practice without being discovered.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Joshua was killed in a practice run. Evidently, their maneuvers are not closely monitored on the flight range, so they knew they could practice without being discovered.

sure. But if they had pulled it off, someone would see the starburst. and they'd be expelled

 

[Tosk]

But if they had pulled it off, someone would see the starburst.

How do you know? The only footage of the incident was from on-board cameras, and there was a single image captured by a navigational control satellite.

"This image was recorded when your ships moved briefly into the satellite's sensor range."

The starburst may have been outside the satellite's sensor range or it may not have. But if Red Squad were unaware of the satellite, then they certainly expected to perform it unobserved.

 

[Nakita Akita]

How do you know? The only footage of the incident was from on-board cameras, and there was a single image captured by a navigational control satellite.

"This image was recorded when your ships moved briefly into the satellite's sensor range."

The starburst may have been outside the satellite's sensor range or it may not have. But if Red Squad were unaware of the satellite, then they certainly expected to perform it unobserved.

But surely they wanted some record of what happened. They were going to leave as living legends. The manouver hadn't been done in a hundred years.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

But surely they wanted some record of what happened. They were going to leave as living legends. The manouver hadn't been done in a hundred years.

well the idea was that they were going to do it LIVE at the ceremony
The accident happened during a rehearsal.

I just have a hard time believing that cadet ships are not being monitored through most training rehearsals

 

[Nakita Akita]

well the idea was that they were going to do it LIVE at the ceremony
The accident happened during a rehearsal.

I just have a hard time believing that cadet ships are not being monitored through most training rehearsals

Live, at the ceremony.
But Wesly, boy genius wasn't graduating yet I thought. I thought he was younger.
So the others would not get their graduation credentials and Wesly, boy genius would get kicked out of school.
Regular cream of the crop there.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Locarno anted to graduate as a living legend.. and the rest of the squad would get new respect