There wasn't one.
Not that I want this thread to turn into a nitpicking thread. Just some idle speculation on something I noticed.
The Federation is at war with the... [spoilers]
- Thread starter TheMadCloner
- Start date
There wasn't one.
Not that I want this thread to turn into a nitpicking thread. Just some idle speculation on something I noticed.
But your explanation doesn't make logical sense for several reasons. If the fleet was being rallied at Lauerentia for deployment to Vulcan than those ships would have traveled there and been destroyed. No one was communicating with starfleet to tell them to avoid the area. The second reason is that it was stated during the briefing scene when they first get the message that Vulcan was under distress that they needed to get to Vulcan because the fleet was in Laurentia. Wether it was because of a war or some other reason, the bulk of the fleet was at Laurentia and as a result they were unable to go to Vulcan. They werent placed there so that they could head straight to Vulcan.
Of course, theres also the little fact that not only has war played a role in Trek, but it has been one of the definign aspects of the show throughout all the series (the Xindi, Cardassian Wars, Earth Romulan War, hostilities with the Klingons, Dominion War, the Borg etc etc)
There Are 2 Explanations.
1) The Fleet is involved in some unknown activities in the Laurentian system.
3) The fleet is deployed normally with the majority out exploring and protecting the borders. Serveral ships are at home near earth (possible for the commissioning of the USS enterprise and possible test - e.g. war games).
When Earth gets information that Vulcan is under attack by a large lightning storm, the earth fleet (which would be nearest as earth and Vulcan are very close), goes to assist. As this is non-military, but humanitarian the USS Enterprise receives a Cadet crew.
It becomes apparent that there were orders to go to a rally point at the Laurentian system if somthing goes wrong (which it does).
1) Back up, they sent in a initial force, but told everyone else to arrive elsewhere (for several reasons, so they could get info before deploying more forces, so that they didn't completely destroy their border security from a second attack). Its called strategy, they pay admirals to do it.
2)
You sure?
3) My war statement is true, star trek is not about war, and unless we know there is a full scale war going on, we dont assume the majority of the fleet is tied up.
4) There is no mention anywhere of big thing like war going on. Surely you would hear about it?
You're reaching, especially since the movie itself indicates otherwise. i know you want the fleet in laurentia to be a rescue fleet for Vulcan. fact is though, it wasn't. Pay attention to the dialogue. They recieve a message saying Vulcan is under attack. Everyone has their oh shit moment. The admirals say that the bulk of the fleet is in Laurentia, so as a result tehy got to hurry the hell up and get to Vulcan. It was all a set up so the Enterprise could be the "only ship in the sector". Dont read too much into it, its really quite simple.
Yes. This is dialogue FROM the movie
Never watched DS9, TNG, ENT, or the TOS movies did you?
I should also add that this Trek isn't exactly like old Trek. Vulcan going bye bye is a prime example of this
No one said that their is definitely a war occurring, just that it is one of several possibilities.
I'll wait until i see it again.
These two aren't incompatible. I more or less had to assume (2) from the way events played out, but (1) was the only thing actually mentioned in dialogue. It wouldn't have killed the writers to throw in a couple of sentences explaining (2).
Whatever the fleet is doing at Laurentia, that system is obviously very far from both Vulcan and Earth in terms of travel time. Otherwise, why would Kirk bridle so much at being sent to rendezvous with the fleet before dealing with Nero... and for that matter, why wouldn't it be practical to just send a message to the rest of the fleet saying "hey, send a few ships back to Earth and save our asses"?
IOW, as already noted, it's all a setup to make Enterprise "the only ship in the sector" again, without actually using the words. That the sector happens to be 001 just makes it especially implausible.
from what the romulan commander and centurion were saying during balance of terror the romulans were having their own issues during this time period.
i sorta believe there will be some interesting communication between the federation and the romulans after ward.
considering that some romulans still had an affinity for vulcan.. and still saw it as a homeland even one they had lost the destruction of the planet could cause difficulties within the empire if people started to believe the romulan governement had been involved in the act.
well if enterprise being the only ship around is implausible then so was a good part of most of the series.
really there could have been other ships waiting back at earth and between the fire power of nero's ship and his having the command codes they might have all been gone by the time enterprise sneaks into the system.
from what the romulan commander and centurion were saying during balance of terror the romulans were having their own issues during this time period.
i sorta believe there will be some interesting communication between the federation and the romulans after ward.
considering that some romulans still had an affinity for vulcan.. and still saw it as a homeland even one they had lost the destruction of the planet could cause difficulties within the empire if people started to believe the romulan governement had been involved in the act.
really there could have been other ships waiting back at earth and between the fire power of nero's ship and his having the command codes they might have all been gone by the time enterprise sneaks into the system.
from what the romulan commander and centurion were saying during balance of terror the romulans were having their own issues during this time period.
i sorta believe there will be some interesting communication between the federation and the romulans after ward.
considering that some romulans still had an affinity for vulcan.. and still saw it as a homeland even one they had lost the destruction of the planet could cause difficulties within the empire if people started to believe the romulan governement had been involved in the act.
Also, I don't believe it's indicated that even most of the crew complements of the ships being sent to Vulcan are cadets - just that cadets are needed to fill out the crews. This makes some sense, I suppose, assuming that the ships currently at Earth may have significant numbers of crew people on leave who can't be recalled within an hour or two. The fact that the Enterprise seems a little top-heavy with newbies may be because it was not due for immediate christening and launch and most of its permanent crew had not yet been selected.
After the Klingon fleet was destroyed, the Fed probably knew they were sending the ships to their death at Vulcan. It makes sense they would staff them up with inexperienced cannon-fodder rather than experienced crews.
It also makes sense that Starfleet would want to amass as much firepower as possible. But after Vulcan was destroyed, you would think they would be hightailing it back rather than just grouping in another system.
It also makes sense that Starfleet would want to amass as much firepower as possible. But after Vulcan was destroyed, you would think they would be hightailing it back rather than just grouping in another system.
I don't think there's a logical explanation for the Laurentian system thing other than it was a plot device to force the Enterprise to fight Nero alone.
Interestingly, almost the exact same thing happened in Nemesis, where there was a large fleet of about 20 ships ready to block Shinzon's route towards Earth if the Enterprise-E failed. Sadly we never see them, something which might have improved that movie if we had a massive Starfleet attack force backing up the Enterprise-E and her Romulan allies.
Interestingly, almost the exact same thing happened in Nemesis, where there was a large fleet of about 20 ships ready to block Shinzon's route towards Earth if the Enterprise-E failed. Sadly we never see them, something which might have improved that movie if we had a massive Starfleet attack force backing up the Enterprise-E and her Romulan allies.
It seemed to me that no one thought Vulcan was under attack. They thought Vulcan was experiencing a natural (astronomical) disaster.
Yes, something’s happening in the Leurretta sector, but we don’t know what it is. Starfleet sends its reserves because they don’t anticipate there’s going to be conflict.
I think that the Enterprise had a lot of cadets as a plot device and to appeal to young fans.
Starfleet definitely had its primary fleet engaged in the Laurentian system BEFORE the distress call from Vulcan was received, as stated in the movie.
The only ships sent to aid Vulcan were sent from Earth. Obviously there must be something important going on in the Laurentian system, for the primary fleet to be engaged there and not respond to a distress call from Vulcan.
The only two reasons that I can think of are war games, or actual war.
With all of the writers working on this movie, at least one of them must have known why the fleet was in the Laurentian system. It must have come up during the writing process. If I were reading the script, that's the first thing I'd ask the writer.
Maybe, like the "Klingon prison" reference, there were some important scenes lost in editing that would have answered some of these questions.
Has anyone read the novelization of the film? Does the book explain anything about the Laurentian system?
The only ships sent to aid Vulcan were sent from Earth. Obviously there must be something important going on in the Laurentian system, for the primary fleet to be engaged there and not respond to a distress call from Vulcan.
The only two reasons that I can think of are war games, or actual war.
With all of the writers working on this movie, at least one of them must have known why the fleet was in the Laurentian system. It must have come up during the writing process. If I were reading the script, that's the first thing I'd ask the writer.
Maybe, like the "Klingon prison" reference, there were some important scenes lost in editing that would have answered some of these questions.
Has anyone read the novelization of the film? Does the book explain anything about the Laurentian system?
It's the same old the-Enterprise-is-the-only-ship-in-range-syndrome. I just don't understand why the two most important planets of the Federation are being left unprotected. Vulcan didn't seem to have any defences whatsoever!
We forget that in the old timeline up until Nero blasts the shit out of the Kelvin that the Romulans had been in isolation since the war with Earth and the founding of the Federation. That's about 70 years give or take. And the Federation always existed in muffled fear of a Romulan revival and a new attack or war. So the lines about peace with Romulus and conflict make sense in context.
Similar threads
