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The degredation of script writing and filmmaking

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john titor

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Seriously, I was thinking last night about blade runner or even robocop, and it occurs to me that films and scripts nowadays don't carry the same impact, originality, humour or decent writing that these films had. For example I can't think of any line in a film today as poetic as anything from the "tears in the rain" speech in Blade Runner. In a way that pretty much is a classic, its not contemporary or part of pop culture anymore, its a transcendent piece of art as good as any Shakespearean play.

As for a film like robocop, I haven't seen any super hero film, no not even the dark knight which was just rubbish and actually not very dark since it was so one dimensional in its "darkness," where there is a scene as intense as the one in which Murphy removes the helmet and tries to remember his former life. That scene just kicked ass, the whole film, beneath the veneer of action was very deep, about the nature of consciouness, it was a parable for the American Jesus, which is what Verhoven wanted to achieve. The final scene where hes asked his name and he says Murphy, just a small exchange like that sums up the whole film, about a quest for identity through its removal in a soulless corporate world. Even if we're to delve into Star Trek, WoK and TUC are masterpieces, reserved and graceful in their execution.

Now I've seen I Robot and this is crap, its just a cgi fest with some "philosophy" tacked on in a short voice over sequence that isn't consistent with the film. Robocop conveyed the same concepts but with greater depth, power and subtetly. Or say Iron Man, it was just a celebration of elitism, the richest man on the planet gets to be a superhero, how can the everyman identify with an uber elite individual who basically becomes omnipotent. Apart from the garbled political message, the film is riddled with plot holes, its represents the worst excesses of the bling bling 00s. Tim Burtons Batman, now that was an interesting take on a superhero, because he wasn't an insuferable "go getter" millionaire, he was quirky and introverted and therefore not cliched.

Star Trek, now I like this film in one respect, its like revisting the past, there is a nostalgia element but the film makes no sense, the plot holes are massive, its patently absurd. It relies on action and breakneck speed, its shouty and hyperactive. Yes the franchise became very uncool because it got so staid and slow paced, but this is the extreme opposite end, I don't think thinking in binary about a creative process is necessarily the best way to come up with a creative idea.

Now I can tolerate a few minor plot holes, or ones which aren't glaringly obvious, given that it is just a film in one way or the other but what I can see is a general decline in the art of scriptwriting and general abscence of original thought in todays films. There were a lot more creative ideas in the 70s/80s than right now, which is frustrating because essentially whenever a remake is released its not a film, its a product and if I want to be entertained I want art and creativity, not something which executives like. I basically refuse to pay money to see something remade.

But this is the problem, with older films you had famous quotes, famous exchanges, I can't think of many in the past ten years, or even ones that rival what has gone before. The problem is that they take in profits and so will keep getting made.
 
You kids get off my lawn!

An essay that utilizes off-handed assertions like "The Dark Knight was rubbish" to make its point is simply too flatfooted and superficial to bear any kind of detailed response. One short reply would be that your personal estimation of what makes "memorable" dialogue is not a strong grounding for an overall critique of the industry.

Critics bemoaned what Star Wars did to diminish the art of filmmaking and screenwriting. That was over thirty years ago.

As long as we're discussing writing, it's "degradation."
 
Every generation thinks its first exposure to something is the best that something has ever been.

"It is not necessary to imagine the world ending in either fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, the other is nostalgia", as the great Frank Zappa once said.
 
re: Dennis' reply—

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Filmmakers who had pushed the envelope in the 60s were probably airing the same gripes about the films of the 80s and 90s (if they weren't making them themselves).

As for your praise of Tim Burton's Batman, I don't see how Burton having Keaton play Bruce Wayne as "quirky" somehow makes this a better take on the role than Christian Bale, or makes Batman a better superhero than Iron Man. Wayne and Stark are both ridiculously rich, but because Keaton's Bruce is a quirky eccentric haunted by the death of his parents, while Tony is just an alcoholic douchebag, it somehow makes him "better." That might be an interesting premise to work from if Burton didn't give us Batman, and then turn the rest of the film over to his villains. Honestly, the films are dominated by the bad guys (though in fairness to Keaton, he at least holds up his own end well, unlike Kilmer, who wasn't even trying).
 
We seem to have one of these threads every couple weeks, lately.

Cinema and TV are no worse now than they ever were in the past. There's good stuff, and there's a lot of crap. Same as ever. Move along.
 
There is an ongoing evolution of commercial cinema which deprivileges sophisticated narrative relative to spectacle, and that has been going on since Star Wars premiered. Simply put, television has the advantage over film at attracting and holding large audiences based on narrative; in order to compete, movies must offer that which cannot be experienced at home.
 
Movies and music might be getting worse, but at least TV hasn't been completely ruined... yet (unless you count all the trashy reality shows, but at least if you ignore those, there are still some good shows being made, while I haven't even remotely enjoyed more than a handful of movies that have come out in the last decade).
 
There's nothing wrong with the screenwriting in Hollywood-although an argument might be made for the degradation of studio exec choices as to which gets made. As for film-making, I think there are talented people out there-but without funds they can't do what they want. Same old Hollywood story. Different decade, that's all.
 
Pretty much everything is turning to crap these days. I don't know why I bother seeing movies in theatres anymore. I pretty much exlusively watch re-runs on TV, with the only exception being SGU. And honestly, if that wasn't a Stargate show, I doubt I'd bother.
 
re: Dennis' reply—

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Filmmakers who had pushed the envelope in the 60s were probably airing the same gripes about the films of the 80s and 90s (if they weren't making them themselves).

As for your praise of Tim Burton's Batman, I don't see how Burton having Keaton play Bruce Wayne as "quirky" somehow makes this a better take on the role than Christian Bale, or makes Batman a better superhero than Iron Man. Wayne and Stark are both ridiculously rich, but because Keaton's Bruce is a quirky eccentric haunted by the death of his parents, while Tony is just an alcoholic douchebag, it somehow makes him "better." That might be an interesting premise to work from if Burton didn't give us Batman, and then turn the rest of the film over to his villains. Honestly, the films are dominated by the bad guys (though in fairness to Keaton, he at least holds up his own end well, unlike Kilmer, who wasn't even trying).

Oh lol, its asshats like you who are retarding the development of the human race based on that response, I'll let you figure it out yourself though being an idiot you'll probably fail. I couldn't be bothered arguing with a groupthinker chimp.
 
You kids get off my lawn!

An essay that utilizes off-handed assertions like "The Dark Knight was rubbish" to make its point is simply too flatfooted and superficial to bear any kind of detailed response. One short reply would be that your personal estimation of what makes "memorable" dialogue is not a strong grounding for an overall critique of the industry.

Critics bemoaned what Star Wars did to diminish the art of filmmaking and screenwriting. That was over thirty years ago.

As long as we're discussing writing, it's "degradation."

Ahahaha, picking at spelling, oh jeez that is pathetic. You my friend are intellectually superficial. You utterly fail to read my points and instead focus on the superficial and take it out of context. You are another asshat I won't waste my time and energy holding a discussion with.
 
Oh lol, its asshats like you who are retarding the development of the human race based on that response, I'll let you figure it out yourself though being an idiot you'll probably fail. I couldn't be bothered arguing with a groupthinker chimp.

Oh yeah, that was a smooth move. :lol:

You are another asshat I won't waste my time and energy holding a discussion with.

Oh, I don't think you'll have to worry about that for a while.

You're not my intellectual equal and it would never occur to me to try to "hold a discussion" with you - it's enough to point out your simple errors, whether they be logical, historical or spelling-related.

In fact, your thread topic and original post are a vapid, valueless rant.
 
Oh yeah, that was a smooth move. :lol:

You are another asshat I won't waste my time and energy holding a discussion with.

Oh, I don't think you'll have to worry about that for a while.

You're not my intellectual equal and it would never occur to me to try to "hold a discussion" with you - it's enough to point out your simple errors, whether they be logical, historical or spelling-related.

In fact, your thread topic and original post are a vapid, valueless rant.

Ooh so is this a who has the last word pissing contest or are you going to get all your friends to back you up? FYI I'll let you get your word in since it means so much to you.

You're right about that, Im not your equal, Im your superior, you are just a pedant.
 
The Dark Knight has a very strong script. Unusually strong.
 
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