The Dalek Masterplan's first two episodes found!! by an eclectic collector!!
I wouldn't underestimate Fraser Hines in all of that as well. He has perfect chemistry with Troughton and they are just delightful to watch when they are bouncing off each other. Once you get to Season 6 and throw Wendy Padbury into the mix... It's pretty rare the show gets a perfect storm like that in terms of casting.
I think Season 3 of Hartnell might be better regarded if we had more of it... The Massacre and The Myth Makers in particular are stories I wish we could see properly.
Sure, they add and tremendously. But Troughton's the spark that lights the flame.
Who knows, maybe some other collectors have them. It's wild that it is even a possibility, but it is as its been proven!
Just to come back to this, I went through my notes (yeah, I keep notes about ME… there’s a lot to keep track of) and can update you more clearly:
Paul Vanezis, some time ago (2-3 years) got friendly with a collector who has two missing episodes. He saw them on his shelves, so visual confirmation from a reliable dude. He didn’t spill the titles but he say the following:
- Both are Hartnell
- They are not from the same story
- No Daleks
- They are not on the list of 1975 Australian returns
- He couldn’t get his mitts on them, because the collector said ‘he had bigger fish to fry’. Paul’s words. Take that to mean whatever you will.
So, taking all that it means two episodes, not the same story and so we are looking at something from the following:
Marco Polo (any of its 7 episodes)
The Reign of Terror (episodes 4 or 5)
The Crusade (episode 2 or 4)
The Massacre (any of its 4 episodes)
The Celestial Toymaker (episodes 1, 2, or 3)
The Savages (any of its 4 episodes)
But, AFAIK there is no movement on the situation and Paul absolutely will not push the collector, as it should be.
Hope that’s more helpful than the rather more vague answer I gave before.
If it's the Crusade or The Massacre, that'd be ideal. Wouldn't care that much for The Celestial Toymaker unless its the first episode (I think the recent animation is the superior substitute, and don't think the existing episodes were likely well directed anyway).The Savages would be fine too.
What a worthwhile reply.
I’d take an episode of The Crusade. Top of my list.
Also, Marco.
No movement on all of this though. However, nice to know they are there, so 93 at least in principle.
I want "Marco Polo"!
(I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to use quotes or italics. The general rule is that the title of a complete work like a TV series, movie, novel, magazine, or story collection is in italics, while the title of an individual episode, story, or article within a larger work is in quotes. But how would a multi-episode serial within a larger series be counted? Generally 2-part or even 3-part episodes are in quotes, e.g. Star Trek: "The Menagerie, Part 1/2," so that suggests the same would go for a longer multi-parter.)
(I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to use quotes or italics. The general rule is that the title of a complete work like a TV series, movie, novel, magazine, or story collection is in italics, while the title of an individual episode, story, or article within a larger work is in quotes. But how would a multi-episode serial within a larger series be counted? Generally 2-part or even 3-part episodes are in quotes, e.g. Star Trek: "The Menagerie, Part 1/2," so that suggests the same would go for a longer multi-parter.)
Among Doctor Who fans, we call it Marco Polo, MP or just Marco. No quotation marks needed, italics optional.
I always italicize serial titles and use quotation marks for episodes within the serials (when they had individual episode titles). Likewise, I use quotation marks for episodes for Eccleston and later. However, I also italacize special cases like The Infinite Quest which was originally serialized even though I only ever watch the full-length edited version because it flows so much better.
Its always awesome to get more missing episodes back. DMP is one of the missing/mostly missing 1st Doctor serials that I haven't watched a reconstruction of yet, so it will probably stay on the back burner until at least these new episodes are available in some way.
After seeing color prints from the production, I do too.
The only one that’s 100% out of play is The Feast of Steven (DMP 7).
DMP supposedly shouldn’t keep turning up and we have 5 from 12, so anything is possible.
Why are we considering The Feast of Steven to be lost beyond all hope of recovery?
Because it wasn't included in any of the overseas shipments so it wouldn't be available abroad, nor would there have been a cutting copy made of the print.
Usually episodes went through a process called telerecording, so they could be sold abroad. The Feast of Steven was never intended for sale, it was a Christmas special entirely disconnected from the rest of the story, so a copy was never made and as it was unsellable, it was wiped immediately after broadcast.
That's the tale anyway and what those who do the research say. Miracles happen. But the accepted wisdom is that there's no chance of it coming back.
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Not immediately, it seems all vts were kept until 1967, when Enterprises made improved stored field prints. But while DMP7 was still around till then, Enterprises didn't make a copy.
Anyone know if the recovered episodes are stored or suppressed field? If the former they were made in 67 or later.