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The Count of Monte Cristo

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I recently finished reading the original Dumas book; everyone's familiar with the broad outline of the story (indeed, the title is sort of the archtype associated with revenge), but given how huge the book is, there's plenty of stuff that people who've only heard about it or read the adaptations wouldn't be familiar with. Indeed, it's nearly 1300 pages long, which I believe makes it the longest work of fiction that I've ever read.

An English professor once related that in the Renaissance genre of revenge tragedy, there were only a few that really examined the toll taken on the revenger (Kyd's "The Spanish Tragedy" and Shakespeare's "Hamlet" being the notable ones), while most simply offered a black-and-white story of wronged men slaying the demons who haunt them. Dumas' story falls into the more complex category. It is perhaps telling that while the novel follows Edmond Dantes' perspective from the beginning to the point where he escapes from prison and finds the treasure that will finance his scheme, as soon as Dantes becomes The Count of Monte Cristo the perspective largely shifts to other characters; Dantes, a young and happy man, becomes something different and less human; the Count is almost automaton-like in his calculations and actions, though, as the story wears on, pricked by resurgent emotions.

Dumas offers a panoply of other characters, generally well-drawn, and absurdly interconnected in the best traditions of the Victorian novel; particularly notable is the oblique sketch of a lesbian couple who ride off into the sunset.
 
I love the book. It was one of the few I didn't mind going through in high school French class. The unabridged tale brings in a huge wealth of detail that delighted me. I expect the automaton feel was deliberate. Dante's speech after leaving Julie Morrel implied an abandonment of human feeling, which he has to recover to save himself. That or use more hashish.
 
You also need to remember that this "book" was originally written as a serial (and probably by a few more people than just Dumas, quite common back then). That greatly affects structure and focus throughout.

I understand there's a new full-length translation that's pretty good. It retranslates a lot of clunky French idioms and is a much easier read (not dumbed-down, just easier).

I have about four versions of it as I'm just about finished with an original score for a musical stage adaptation. Cristo has always been one of my favorite works.

--Ted
 
I'm aware of the serial thing (I gave up reading Vanity Fair several years ago because I got tired of the author recapping the plot every thirty pages or so).
 
Never read the book, but something about revenge I didn't like in the most recent movie, was that everyone and I mean everyone was telling Dantes not to complete his plan for revenge because ultimately he will get bit in the ass....Well, he does do his revenge thing and nothing bad happens to him. I thought that was weird.
 
The most recent feature version DRASTICALLY changed the ending of the story and some MAJOR plot points. Ruined it completely.

--Ted
 
Loved this novel as a kid; it was one of my favourites. Dumas was such a great author.

The most recent feature version DRASTICALLY changed the ending of the story and some MAJOR plot points. Ruined it completely.

--Ted

Are you talking about the one with Jim Caviezel?

Loved it. Very fun to watch.
Yeah, it was pretty good; but I can see why many people don't care for it.
 
Even though the novel's a few centuries old, there are some SPOILERS below.



It DRASTICALLY changed the ending of the story and some MAJOR plot points. Ruined it completely.

--Ted

Are you talking about the one with Jim Caviezel?.




Yes. It started off so well and then just screwed the entire story royally.

Edmond and Mercedes NEVER made love, they did NOT end up together, Albert was NOT his son, and Edmond almost ends up alone, but sails off with a former princess one of Edmond's adversaries had sold into slavery.

Also, after his revenge is exacted, Edmond is still quite empty inside, not sure how to proceed with his life.

--Ted
 
Even though the novel's a few centuries old, there are some SPOILERS below.



It DRASTICALLY changed the ending of the story and some MAJOR plot points. Ruined it completely.

--Ted
Are you talking about the one with Jim Caviezel?.


Yes. It started off so well and then just screwed the entire story royally.

Edmond and Mercedes NEVER made love, they did NOT end up together, Albert was NOT his son, and Edmond almost ends up alone, but sails off with a former princess one of Edmond's adversaries had sold into slavery.

Also, after his revenge is exacted, Edmond is still quite empty inside, not sure how to proceed with his life.

--Ted

I've read the book, and enjoyed it, and enjoyed the movie just the same. The movie was fun. I knew it wasn't going to be a 100% faithful adaptation.
 
Anyone seen ther French TV mini-series version that came out a few years back with Gerard Depardieu? I quite enjoyed that.
 
Yes. I bought it and enjoyed it very much.

Most adaptations cut out a lot of the second generation of characters, as did this one (and frankly I don't mind too much), but the look was excellent and I got past Depardieu's size after awhile. Perhaps the overall work wasn't as passionate as it should have been, but I liked it.

My favorite adaptation to date is the Richard Chamberlain TV-movie from the 1970's. Condensed well, but still getting the main characters in, and the revenge story still retained its impact. Also, Edmund's obsession with revenge and being an avenging angel were there, too.

--Ted
 
I have never read the book, but I am a fan of the film starring Jim Caviezel and have the DVD in my collection.
Never read the book, but something about revenge I didn't like in the most recent movie, was that everyone and I mean everyone was telling Dantes not to complete his plan for revenge because ultimately he will get bit in the ass....Well, he does do his revenge thing and nothing bad happens to him. I thought that was weird.
He comes close to killing Albert (his son) and Mercedes gets shot (but lives). I think those two events in the film show how his plan for revenge almost cost him dearly.
 
I recently finished reading the original Dumas book; everyone's familiar with the broad outline of the story (indeed, the title is sort of the archtype associated with revenge), but given how huge the book is, there's plenty of stuff that people who've only heard about it or read the adaptations wouldn't be familiar with. Indeed, it's nearly 1300 pages long, which I believe makes it the longest work of fiction that I've ever read.

My copy of this book is still 500 pages shorter than Le Vicomte de Bragelonne (the last part of the Musketeers trilogy), a very epic book to read but that was worth it, I love Dumas.
I did enjoy Le Comte de Monte Christo, it's seen as the ultimate vengence book in French litterature.
But my favorite is still the Valois trilogy (La Reine Margot/La Dame de Monsoreau/ Les Quarante-cinq). It's a good exemple of how Dumas used History to write good novels. And Chicot (main character of La Dame de Monsoreau and Les Quarante-cinq) is one of his best character ever. The jester that ruled France :lol:

You also need to remember that this "book" was originally written as a serial (and probably by a few more people than just Dumas, quite common back then).


Dumas'most famous novels were writen in "collaboration" with Auguste Maquet.
If Maquet's role is still unclear, it's commonly said that the style that made the fame of the novels is from Dumas. I've read some text by Maquet only and I can only confirm that.
 
I've read the book, and enjoyed it, and enjoyed the movie just the same. The movie was fun. I knew it wasn't going to be a 100% faithful adaptation.

But a HAPPY ENDING?

That spinning sound you hear is Dumas. ;)

--Ted
Well, Count doesn't exactly have a downer ending; in the end, the bad guys get what's coming to them, the good guys all go off happily, and the implication is the Count and that chick who he's been thinking of as his daughter will try to make a new life for themselves; the last word is "hope".

Now, having him end up with Mercedes is very Hollywood.
 
Chaos Now said:
Agreed. As is having Edmond and Mercedes consummating their relationship and Albert being his son. Those were the two MAJOR things denied Edmond by the plot against him, and the things he never gets to have.

Also, Edmond teeters on insanity a number of times, and his revenge costs the lives of innocent people, including a young child.

--Ted
 
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I understand there's a new full-length translation that's pretty good. It retranslates a lot of clunky French idioms and is a much easier read (not dumbed-down, just easier).

--Ted

You may be talking about the relatively recent Penguin edition (I can't remember off hand the translator). A very good read, and one of my favorite novels.
 
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I understand there's a new full-length translation that's pretty good. It retranslates a lot of clunky French idioms and is a much easier read (not dumbed-down, just easier).

--Ted

You may be talking about the relatively recent Penguin edition (I can't remember off hand the translator). A very good read, and one of my favorite novels.

Thanks for the comment. I'll definitely grab a copy soon.

--Ted
 
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