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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

"Quantity: Unknown"
Do they just ask ChatGPT to come up with random sci-fi-sounding titles or what? :rommie:

What IMDb identifies as V-tail 1954 Beechcraft E35 Bonanza s/n D-3882, registration N3218C
It appears to still exist, owned by an individual in Santa Ana, although different sources say the registration expired in 2017 or 2018. It's not listed in the Movie Plane Database.

the second alien imposter (William Talman, having given up law after 225 straight defeats)
Vincent needs to hire Perry as his lawyer. That would make short work of Them. "Paul, I want you to get me all the information you can about Zeta Reticuli."

security chief Harry Swain (James Whitmore)
Legendary character actor.

Barney Phillips, who also has experience as a diner-running alien
The Venusian! Got it right this time. I think.

metallurgist Diane Oberly (Susan Strasberg)
Frequent flyer in genre shows and movies.

Farley has done a check on David and exposes him as a "full-time, dedicated crackpot," which causes Richards to turn Vincent away.
Probably should have checked him out before this.

Giving off strong signals of romantic tension, Diane comes out to see David in the hall as he's leaving
Girls just can't resist a full-time, dedicated crackpot.

Swain tells David of how his wife and daughter were killed on a camping tramp after the latter claimed to see aliens and a spacecraft.
"Oh, yeah, Swain? Then how did you get away? And why aren't you a full-time, dedicated crackpot now? How dare you hold down a real job?"

David finds Diane there
Good Grief. I'm going to become a full-time, dedicated crackpot.

Weighing who stimulates him more, David decides to go see Swain
According to Woody Allen, being bisexual doubles your chances for a date, although I question his math.

David goes to the lab to find Diane making lots of light and noise while testing the cylinder with a "laser."
Kinda makes sense. She's probably vaporizing a sample to get a spectral analysis. It seems like she already did that, but if it's an unknown alloy then the results were probably wonky.

a surprised Diane is trying to stop David from taking the cylinder while she's still in the process of collecting extraordinary test results
"Dude, watch your fingers! Do you even know what a laser is?"

they hear a shot in the hall and find Swain standing over Richards, telling of a struggle.
"I take it all back. You are a full-time, dedicated crackpot."

David tells Diane to call a doctor, but Swain pushes her away from the phone in the lab and grabs the cylinder
"Ow! My fingers!"

David tries to check on Diane before being rushed out with the cylinder while Swain covers for him, shooting one security guard and getting into a running gunfight with two more that spills into the lab, setting the place on fire.
Well, that was more excitement than we usually get.

Using the address that Swain conspicuously gave him just before the lab raid, David proceeds to Orleans to meet with Col. Frank Griffith: View attachment 47790
Objection!
"Your questions are incompetent and irrelevant!"

then Swain comes in behind David...figuratively unmasking as one of them.
Gasp! After they bonded! Fate is cruel!

they decided to use David to go after the cylinder without exposing themselves, informing him that it contains invasion plans from the home world
So many questions. :rommie: Why is the homeworld sending invasion plans in a physical format? If it got lost, why not just send another copy? And does this mean that a full-scale saucer invasion is imminent? Or has the full-scale saucer invasion been cancelled because their one physical copy of the invasion plans has been lost? Or by "invasion plans" do they mean "here's a list of random activities our agents are engaged in that won't amount to much?"

But Griffith finds that David's brought him an empty strongbox
"You've outsmarted us again, Earthling!"

David pulls out a gun, shooting Griffith into disintegration
"Overruled!"

but only tossing Swain over a desk.
He obviously still has feelings for him.

Swain takes a fall off the fall, swimming to an iron fence that he reaches through to grasp the cylinder before disintegrating, thus taking the object with him.
That answers any remaining questions about clothes and bullets.

The rates being cheaper during the Epilog
:rommie:

Richards is recovering
A surprising bit of good news.

and thanking her for not telling the police that he was involved in the lab theft and its multiple shootings.
"Oh, I would have done the same for any full-time, dedicated crackpot who left me sitting alone and frustrated in his hotel room."

There's a last moment of romantic tension as she asks about seeing him again and he ends the call with a noncommittal reply.
"It's complicated."

Maybe you looked her up when we were discussing how her twice-appearing character might have made a good Rhoda replacement.
Yeah, that could be. I remember pondering that.

I have one of those, though I couldn't tell you how it goes.
They're not great, just pleasant and catchy.

Indeed, two. Three was the good one that was supposed to lead into a series that everybody actually wanted to watch and was therefore never made. :rommie:

Timeline-wise, though, The Invaders falls before The Brady Bunch.
Oh, right. The songs are fifty years, the shows are fifty-eight years. I don't know how Doug and Tony keep track of this stuff. :rommie:
 
Do they just ask ChatGPT to come up with random sci-fi-sounding titles or what? :rommie:
A little harsh.

Vincent needs to hire Perry as his lawyer. That would make short work of Them. "Paul, I want you to get me all the information you can about Zeta Reticuli."
I caught some of one in the background the other night where Perry was in the hospital and Paul was doing all the legwork. Must've been Burr's week off.

The Venusian! Got it right this time. I think.
Yep.

Probably should have checked him out before this.
Wasn't as easy back then.

"Oh, yeah, Swain? Then how did you get away? And why aren't you a full-time, dedicated crackpot now? How dare you hold down a real job?"
"There's a pension in it!"

Good Grief. I'm going to become a full-time, dedicated crackpot.
:techman:

Kinda makes sense. She's probably vaporizing a sample to get a spectral analysis. It seems like she already did that, but if it's an unknown alloy then the results were probably wonky.
I don't think it was vaporizing. It was creating an animated light show.

So many questions. :rommie: Why is the homeworld sending invasion plans in a physical format?
Eh, it was the '60s. The Enterprise computer made punch card sounds.

If it got lost, why not just send another copy?
"Deliver/intercept the secret plans" is good enough for spy fi.

Or by "invasion plans" do they mean "here's a list of random activities our agents are engaged in that won't amount to much?"
Probably that.

That answers any remaining questions about clothes and bullets.
IMDb asserted that objects disintegrating with the invaders had been firmly established, but I hadn't caught that. And I gotta stop reading IMDb trivia & goofs ahead of the episode, as it always spoils which characters are them.

"Oh, I would have done the same for any full-time, dedicated crackpot who left me sitting alone and frustrated in his hotel room."
:D

"It's complicated."
It was actually an "I hope so"...punctuated by a silent NEXT!

Yeah, that could be. I remember pondering that.
And instead she got snatched for the next spinoff.

Indeed, two. Three was the good one that was supposed to lead into a series that everybody actually wanted to watch and was therefore never made. :rommie:
I enjoyed the reunion business but found S3 to be pretty damn weak and derivative story-wise.

Oh, right. The songs are fifty years, the shows are fifty-eight years.
Only for hiatus season, when I back-watch whatever.
 
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RIP, Ozzy Osbourne. :( Philosophical question: Will the Prince of Darkness go to Rock'n'Roll Heaven or Rock'n'Roll Hell? Or is it just the same place?

A little harsh.
Sarcasm is fun. :rommie:

I caught some of one in the background the other night where Perry was in the hospital and Paul was doing all the legwork. Must've been Burr's week off.
That might have been when he took a few episodes off for some reason-- surgery, I think. They actually brought in some substitute sleuths. Bette Davis was one. Maybe Roy Thinnes was another, actually. I'd have to look them up, but there were three or four.

Wasn't as easy back then.
Unless you call Paul Drake, the Sleuth with Couth.

"There's a pension in it!"
True, even full-time, dedicated crackpots need to retire at some point.

I don't think it was vaporizing. It was creating an animated light show.
Best they could afford. :rommie:

Eh, it was the '60s. The Enterprise computer made punch card sounds.
And they used 3 1/2-inch floppies. :rommie:

"Deliver/intercept the secret plans" is good enough for spy fi.
Plenty good enough, but nitpicking is fun.

IMDb asserted that objects disintegrating with the invaders had been firmly established, but I hadn't caught that. And I gotta stop reading IMDb trivia & goofs ahead of the episode, as it always spoils which characters are them.
Suspect everyone!

And instead she got snatched for the next spinoff.
Weird and sad to think she may have survived otherwise.

I enjoyed the reunion business but found S3 to be pretty damn weak and derivative story-wise.
The reunion was pretty much all I cared about, but it was parsecs ahead of the first two seasons either way. And I was really looking forward to Captain Seven and Geordi's daughter in a series.

Only for hiatus season, when I back-watch whatever.
Well, yeah, at that moment. :rommie:
 
RIP, Ozzy Osbourne.
And breaking today, Kenneth Washington (89), who was the last surviving main cast member of Hogan's Heroes.
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Maybe Roy Thinnes was another, actually.
That'd be interesting if true, as I wasn't familiar with him for anything but The Invaders, but I'm not finding a Perry Mason on his list. Looks like he did the rounds on other QM shows before landing his starring role, including two episodes of 12OCH; played Roger Collins in the 1991 Dark Shadows revival attempt; and made a few appearances as a recurring character on The X-Files, quite appropriately.

Best they could afford. :rommie:
Tell me if these laser-testing goggles have anything resembling scientific authenticity:

Weird and sad to think she may have survived otherwise.
Was her death at all related to her getting the role on Phyllis? Or is that just a probability thing?

The reunion was pretty much all I cared about, but it was parsecs ahead of the first two seasons either way.
I much preferred the show that Season 1 was trying to be to the fanwank-fest of S3. Overall, the series turned out to be a big disappointment for its lack of conceptual focus.

And I was really looking forward to Captain Seven and Geordi's daughter in a series.
"Have I mentioned my father, the Starfleet legend...?"
 
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And breaking today, Kenneth Washington (89), who was the last surviving main cast member of Hogan's Heroes.
RIP, Kenneth Washington. I hate to say it, but I don't remember this guy at all. Channel 38 used to play Hogan's Heroes relentlessly, but I don't know if they ever showed that season.

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Such a lovable nut. :rommie:

That'd be interesting if true, as I wasn't familiar with him for anything but The Invaders, but I'm not finding a Perry Mason on his list.
Nope, I misremembered. It was actually Michael Rennie, different Sci-Fi guy. The other substitutes when he had surgery were Bette Davis, Hugh O'Brian, and Walter Pidgeon. Then another time Mike Connors and Barry Sullivan were subs.

played Roger Collins in the 1991 Dark Shadows revival attempt
I forgot about that. I generally don't approve of remakes, but that was a high quality production. The best thing about it was the excellent casting.

Tell me if these laser-testing goggles have anything resembling scientific authenticity:
Well, it's all very cartoonish, especially those animated sparks in the other picture, but I think they were going for the vaporization and spectral analysis thing.

Was her death at all related to her getting the role on Phyllis? Or is that just a probability thing?
That's the thing, it's still an unsolved mystery. It could have been targeted or it could have been a random thrill kill.

I much preferred the show that Season 1 was trying to be to the fanwank-fest of S3.
Interesting. I didn't like that portrayal of Starfleet or the Federation at all, although I grudgingly accepted it as a timely metaphor for former good guys going off the rails. I did like the actress who played the advanced Soong androids, although I would have preferred if she used the Data makeup.

Overall, the series turned out to be a big disappointment for its lack of conceptual focus.
Yes, it was very ill thought out, and I think we have Patrick Stewart to thank for at least some of that.

"Have I mentioned my father, the Starfleet legend...?"
Living up to Geordi's rep probably would have been a big part of her character.
 
RIP, Kenneth Washington. I hate to say it, but I don't remember this guy at all. Channel 38 used to play Hogan's Heroes relentlessly, but I don't know if they ever showed that season.
But you read the reviews! :D

The Ex texted me that the Hulk died today. At first I thought she was talking about Lou...!

Also, Squiggy-disapproved Chuck Mangione, 84.
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Nope, I misremembered. It was actually Michael Rennie, different Sci-Fi guy.
I had to look it up to jog my memory, but that was the one. He was playing a law professor who entered the story with a disdain for trial lawyers.

Interesting. I didn't like that portrayal of Starfleet or the Federation at all, although I grudgingly accepted it as a timely metaphor for former good guys going off the rails.
I was up for a little deconstruction of TNG-era Trek, a show that wasn't Starfleet-centric, and taking Picard out of his comfort zone.

I did like the actress who played the advanced Soong androids, although I would have preferred if she used the Data makeup.
She did as a couple of other androids on Soong's planet.

Living up to Geordi's rep probably would have been a big part of her character.
She was completely one-note...reminding everyone of her dad the legend was all she did.
 
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But you read the reviews! :D
Yes, I do remember learning of his existence from the reviews, but I mean I don't remember ever seeing him on TV.

The Ex texted me that the Hulk died today. At first I thought she was talking about Lou...!
I saw that. Only 71. My Brother's not going to take that news very well.

Also, Squiggy-disapproved Chuck Mangione, 84.
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RIP, Chuck Mangione. Yeah, nothing personal, but I don't think he ever did anything I liked.

I had to look it up to jog my memory, but that was the one. He was playing a law professor who entered the story with a disdain for trial lawyers.
Right, I vaguely remember it. The plot had something to do with one of his students, I think.

I was up for a little deconstruction of TNG-era Trek, a show that wasn't Starfleet-centric, and taking Picard out of his comfort zone.
The last thing I want to see in Trek is the deconstruction of the positive future-- even DS9 took that too far for my tastes. The other stuff I can live with. I was actually kind of intrigued with the premise that they set up at the end of season one-- which they abandoned. :rommie: But I was happier with the premise that they set up at the beginning of season two-- which they abandoned. :rommie:

She did as a couple of other androids on Soong's planet.
Yeah, so tantalizing. I wish they had used a character like that in season three, if only to see Data's reaction.

She was completely one-note...reminding everyone of her dad the legend was all she did.
But she was cute. :rommie: And a series would give her the opportunity to develop.
 


Post-58th Anniversary Viewing



The Time Tunnel
"Devil's Island"
Originally aired November 11, 1966
MeTV said:
The travelers materialize in 1895 on Devil's Island, where they try to help French captain Alfred Dreyfus [not] escape.

Tony and Doug tumble onto the beach of a tropic island set just as a group of prisoners is being brought in on rowboats from a ship. The new prisoners try to make a break for it, and the travelers are caught by a guard who'd been pursuing two who happened to look and dress similar and jumped into the lagoon to swim away. When Commandant Rubidoux (Oscar Beregi) gives the political prisoners an orientation speech, the guys try to tell the head of the guards, Lescaux (Theo Marcuse), that they're Americans and a mistake has been made. (The unexplained universal translation is working against them here.)

The guys are issued striped uniforms with strappy sandals and taken to the barracks, where the prisoners chain their own ankles to their beds. They acquaint themselves with some of their fellow Inmates: Claude Dumas (Alain Patrick), an Army officer who questioned French colonial policy; Andre Perrault (Steven Geray), the only survivor of a failed escape attempt into the jungles of Venezuela; and Henri Boudaire (Marcel Hillaire), an Army officer who tried to uncover graft. Trying to narrow down the date, the monitoring TT crew focuses on the uniform numbers, which were supposed to have been sequential. As the guys are working the next day, Tony gets on Lescaux's bad side some more while staging a diversion for Doug, and ends up having to bury an older prisoner who's been coughing and drops dead (Bob Adler). Doug slips away to force his way in to the see the commandant and holds him at stolen gunpoint to try to talk to him. The commandant acts reasonable, entertaining Doug's story of being part of a stranded scientific expedition...until Doug surrenders his weapon, at which point the commandant calls the guards, assembles the prisoners, and has him put in the hotbox.

Tony watches as Captain Alfred Dreyfus (Ted Roter), recently convicted of having sold secrets to Germany, is brought to the island in full uniform and given his own hut pending his appeal. This gives the TT crew the date they need: March 15, 1895; and they try to get a fix on Doug to save him from the hotbox (Ann claiming that ground temperatures at the Equator reach 150 degrees, which IMDb contributors dispute). By night, Boudaire uses an iron bar he's been hiding to pry open his and Tony's shackles, and they head to talk to Dreyfus, who was formerly Boudaire's superior officer. Boudaire offers to help Dreyfus escape, which the captain doesn't seem interested in, though he encourages Boudaire to do so for the good of France; while letting Tony borrow some water to slip to Doug.

Lescaux watches knowingly as Tony and Boudaire slip away from their labor to camouflage a boat that the latter has found, planning to have Perrault create a sail. TT works out how to retrieve Tony and Doug despite their distance in the barracks (before we see Doug let out of the hotbox), planning to try an experimental splitting of power. The two of them discuss how they know that Dreyfus can't escape (because history), but don't want to discourage the others from planning an escape while motivated to free him. TT does their retrieve attempt while Boudaire is starting to pry the shackles off the others, and accidentally pick him up instead...the other prisoners watching him vanish before their eyes.

While Kirk's explaining that it's 1968 and shows Boudaire Tunnelvision, Lescaux pops into the barracks for a surprise inspection and finds Boudaire gone. While Boudaire doesn't want to return, and Kirk and Swain debate having to send him back to the prison, the commandant assembles the prisoners, threatening to shoot them systematically until they snitch on Boudaire; and the guys try to tell him that it's part of their scientific experiment. Boudaire watches as the commandant and Lescaux discuss their trap, in which they plan to use the escape attempt as an opportunity to shoot Dreyfus. Boudaire goes back willingly, armed with information about how Dreyfus won't escape; that escaped prisoners should head for British Trinidad; and with a message for Doug and Tony to be in a specific spot at a specific time.

When Lescaux comes for a prisoner to shoot, the inmates, led by Doug and Tony, make their move, overpowering him and a guard. While Doug and Perrault truss up the commandant and free Dreyfus, Tony and Dumas take supplies to the boat. Boudaire reappears just as Dumas is learning that they can't take Dreyfus. Instead of backing Tony up, Boudaire convinces himself that his experience with the Tunnel was a bad dream. But as the prisoners assemble, Dreyfus declares that he won't go, as he considers his presence on the island to be a matter of duty. The guys work out without Boudaire's help that they've been falling into a trap, noting that the commandant's made aspects of their escape easy, including a temporary lightening of the guards. The prisoners proceed with the escape with Dreyfus's encouragement; the guys assure Dreyfus that he'll be exonerated; and then the guys use their paper-fueled TV hero fighting skills to take out a pair of guards waiting in ambush at a spot overlooking the beach that Dreyfus determined.

On the beach, as the trio of speaking prisoners are on the boat encouraging Tony and Doug to come with them, the travelers' clothes reappear before the prisoners' eyes, and the duo vanishes.



The Invaders
"The Innocent"
Originally aired March 14, 1967
IMDb said:
The aliens take David Vincent up into their spaceship and then attempt to prove they have nothing but peaceful intentions by showing him what they've done to a desert valley. But all is not what it seems.

At Clement Air Force Base, Capt. Mitchell Ross (Dabney Coleman), head of Project Hawk, questions Sgt. Walter Ruddell (Robert Doyle) about another batch of sighting reports having gone missing. When Ross is alone in the file room, an alien posing as an MP (Erik Holland) tries to abduct him at gunpoint. Ross shoots him with a pistol sitting in his open briefcase, through the case's lid; then sees the red glow emanating from the file nook that the MP stumbles into. Ruddell returns and the two of them find nothing but burn marks and the MP's gun.

The QM Narrator said:
In a decaying lobster port in Maine, David Vincent searches for a man who has seen the invaders: a fisherman named Nat Greely, who has taken one of their weapons--a strange, metallic disk. For a day and a half, Vincent has combed the tiny waterfront town, but Nat Greely has disappeared.

Ruddell appears with a subpoena to take David to see Ross; while a couple of fisherthem take notice (Frank Marth and Harry Lauter). Ross questions Vincent about his claims regarding how the aliens disintegrate and David guesses that the captain has seen it for himself. Ross wants Vincent to testify at a hearing. David takes a moment to note that he's given up his life in his pursuit of the invaders, including his business and a girl who wasn't in the premiere. At a marina, the pair of aliens, now in suits, visit the Greely boat, introducing themselves to Edna Greely (Patricia Smith) as Calvin Adams and Ed Poole, lawyers looking for the heir of a recently deceased family member. She suspiciously turns them away, quickly verifying that their story is false. The next to visit is David, telling Mrs. Greely that her husband is in danger and producing Ross's card as a reference. Cut to David paying a call on paranoid, shotgun-brandishing Nat Greely (William Smithers) in his warehouse hideout. After Greely is persuaded to meet David with the disc, they pay another visit to the boat, now threatening young Nat Jr. (Johnny Jensen).

Informed by Edna, Nat reluctantly sets a trap for David to get chloro'ed and taken to see Magnus (Special Guest Star speaking of Michael Rennie), who shows Vincent a saucer parked in the back of his ranch home and takes him inside.
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Magnus claims that they want to change their approach and offers to take him on a trip. David is wedged into his seat as protection against acceleration and, after seeing the Earth becoming smaller in the viewport, loses consciousness as warned. When he awakes, he's shown Santa Margerita Valley, a place that he'd mentioned to Ross he'd been planning to develop. When taken outside, David finds that they have redeveloped it into Rossmoor Leisure World, Laguna Hills, California, complete with 1964 World's Fair-style globe.

David is taken to a project headquarters building that he professionally considers to be beautiful, and is intrigued to learn that they built a dam he was told was impossible, spearheaded by an old friend, who's there and now working with them, Billy Stearns (Paul Carr); they've even restored Billy's injured leg. Also there is Helen (Katherine Justice), the girl David left behind who was invented just for this episode. She takes him for a drive and gives him a sales pitch for how the aliens can improve the world. Smelling a cookbook, David questions the details of her story. She hurriedly drops him off while frantically calling out for Magnus. David's surroundings begin to fade, and we see that he's still braced into the chair, surrounded by Magnus, Sgt. Ruddell, and associates. Magnus declares that they'll have to try a different method.

Magnus now wants David to call Ross before his testimony to disavow his own invasion warnings. Mr. Greely is brought in to tell David that they've got his wife and boy as leverage, and begs David to make the call. Stone-faced David complies, telling Ross that he and Greely know nothing and it's all been for publicity. Greely apologizes as he's being shown out. When David won't have a drink willingly, he's held down, TV Fu'ed, and the bottle's poured into his mouth. Outside, Greely is also TV Fu'ed and covered with liquor. The two of them are taken to a car that they're put into with Nat behind the wheel and pushed onto the obligatory curvy downhill road. Highly disoriented, David takes the wheel and manages to steer well enough to avoid the hairpin turns, eventually crashing into a lot at the bottom. A revived Greely pulls David out before the vehicle meets its OTVF.

The two of them show up at the AFB wanting to testify after all, only to find Ross now hostile toward them for undermining his credibility. When David sees and recognizes Ruddell, he tries to warn Ross. Ross sends his visitors on their way, but proceeds to call in a thorough background check on Ruddell.

The QM Narrator said:
A trip to a nightmare world. A committee disbanded. Another defeat, another hope lost for David Vincent...maybe. Or maybe it's a hope begun.



RIP, Chuck Mangione. Yeah, nothing personal, but I don't think he ever did anything I liked.
By way of era-appropriate tribute, here are his two charting singles thus far in our 50th anniversary timeline...one of them very current.

"Hill Where the Lord Hides"
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(charted July 3, 1971; #76 US; #32 AC)

"Chase the Clouds Away"
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(charted July 19, 1975; #96 US)

Right, I vaguely remember it. The plot had something to do with one of his students, I think.
He was trying to advise her about a blackmail situation, only to learn from Paul that it was a very common scam.

The last thing I want to see in Trek is the deconstruction of the positive future-- even DS9 took that too far for my tastes.
Utopia is meaningless if it's free, easy, and never challenged.
 
Tony and Doug tumble onto the beach of a tropic island set just as a group of prisoners is being brought in on rowboats from a ship.
They never tumble onto tropical islands full of pretty women or onto the deck of a cruise ship that's not going to sink. I'm beginning to think the guy in the lab coat has a secret grudge against them for some reason.

The new prisoners try to make a break for it, and the travelers are caught by a guard who'd been pursuing two who happened to look and dress similar and jumped into the lagoon to swim away.
Maybe it's actually them from when they tumble here again in the future of the past.

(The unexplained universal translation is working against them here.)
"Your acczent is, how you say, perfectement for Americains."

The guys are issued striped uniforms with strappy sandals and taken to the barracks, where the prisoners chain their own ankles to their beds.
Masochistic bunch.

the monitoring TT crew focuses on the uniform numbers, which were supposed to have been sequential.
We're not dealing with the Beagle Boys here.

Doug slips away to force his way in to the see the commandant and holds him at stolen gunpoint to try to talk to him.
This is such a bad plan in so many ways.

The commandant acts reasonable, entertaining Doug's story of being part of a stranded scientific expedition...until Doug surrenders his weapon, at which point the commandant calls the guards, assembles the prisoners, and has him put in the hotbox.
Why, Doug, Why? The TT folks are gonna pull you out as soon as they can. All you had to do was wait.

(Ann claiming that ground temperatures at the Equator reach 150 degrees, which IMDb contributors dispute).
That sounds excessive even for a desert region, let alone a tropical island.

TT does their retrieve attempt while Boudaire is starting to pry the shackles off the others, and accidentally pick him up instead...the other prisoners watching him vanish before their eyes.
This is getting to be a habit.

While Kirk's explaining that it's 1968 and shows Boudaire Tunnelvision
"You'll be happy to know Devil's Island is out of business."

While Boudaire doesn't want to return, and Kirk and Swain debate having to send him back to the prison
Sure, why not give the guy a break? The timeline seems impervious to change.

the guys try to tell him that it's part of their scientific experiment
TT seems unable to establish voice contact in this episode.

Instead of backing Tony up, Boudaire convinces himself that his experience with the Tunnel was a bad dream.
They should have given him a note.

as the trio of speaking prisoners are on the boat encouraging Tony and Doug to come with them, the travelers' clothes reappear before the prisoners' eyes, and the duo vanishes.
"Clearly, the stress of being incarcerated on Devil's Island has driven us quite mad."

Capt. Mitchell Ross (Dabney Coleman)
A familiar face for decades.

Ross shoots him with a pistol sitting in his open briefcase, through the case's lid
Nice going. Seems like he was prepared for something like this.

Ruddell returns and the two of them find nothing but burn marks and the MP's gun.
He must have dropped it or it should have disappeared too.

Ruddell appears with a subpoena to take David to see Ross
This seems odd. Does David still have a permanent address? And why would they get a subpoena?

a couple of fisherthem
Nice. :rommie:

Ross wants Vincent to testify at a hearing.
Apparently different parts of the military are not communicating with each other, which is probably one of the most believable aspects of the show. :rommie:

David takes a moment to note that he's given up his life in his pursuit of the invaders, including his business and a girl who wasn't in the premiere.
She had dumped him weeks earlier, but he's fishing for maximum sympathy.

The next to visit is David, telling Mrs. Greely that her husband is in danger and producing Ross's card as a reference.
So David found out about Greely from Ross? Was this in one of the reports he was looking for?

Magnus (Special Guest Star speaking of Michael Rennie)
Damn. He used to be a good Them. :(

who shows Vincent a saucer parked in the back of his ranch home and takes him inside. View attachment 47863View attachment 47864
Okay, now we're talkin.'

Magnus claims that they want to change their approach and offers to take him on a trip.
Uh oh.

David is wedged into his seat as protection against acceleration and, after seeing the Earth becoming smaller in the viewport, loses consciousness as warned. When he awakes, he's shown Santa Margerita Valley, a place that he'd mentioned to Ross he'd been planning to develop. When taken outside, David finds that they have redeveloped it into Rossmoor Leisure World, Laguna Hills, California, complete with 1964 World's Fair-style globe.
Definitely a big change from the antimatter bomb approach.

Also there is Helen (Katherine Justice), the girl David left behind who was invented just for this episode.
"Joke's on you, Magnus. I made her up."

Smelling a cookbook
Rodded. :rommie:

David's surroundings begin to fade, and we see that he's still braced into the chair, surrounded by Magnus, Sgt. Ruddell, and associates.
I thought as much.

The two of them are taken to a car that they're put into with Nat behind the wheel and pushed onto the obligatory curvy downhill road. Highly disoriented, David takes the wheel and manages to steer well enough to avoid the hairpin turns, eventually crashing into a lot at the bottom. A revived Greely pulls David out before the vehicle meets its OTVF.
From holodeck to make-it-look-like-an-accident. They vary wildly in their tactics. :rommie:

Ross sends his visitors on their way, but proceeds to call in a thorough background check on Ruddell.
A rare ray of hope. Of course, it probably means that Ross is doomed.

By way of era-appropriate tribute, here are his two charting singles thus far in our 50th anniversary timeline...one of them very current.
I don't think I recognize either one.

Utopia is meaningless if it's free, easy, and never challenged.
Yeah, but they took it too far. I don't really want Trek to be realistic in that way-- I want it to be an example of a better future.
 
50 Years Ago This Week


July 27
  • Thailand's Prime Minister Kukrit Pramoj announced that all military agreements with the United States were at an end, and ordered that all American troops were to leave Thailand by March 20, 1976.
  • In his nationally syndicated weekly column, astrologer Sydney Omarr predicted a "hot-weather, colorful week" in which "Leo, Aquarius persons grab headlines," noting that "Aquarians in the news during this 'hot week' could include such persons as Hank Aaron, James Hoffa and Betty Friedan." Hoffa would be in the news four days later after disappearing.

July 28
  • Following through with the order for closure of American bases in Turkey, Turkish military commanders entered five U.S. bases to take control, and pledged to take control of 20 more the next day. The five, located at Karamürsel, Sinop, Pirinçlik, Bebasi and Karaburun, had been used for intelligence gathering along the Soviet border.

July 29
  • Gerald Ford became the first US President to visit the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz in Brzezinka, Poland. “Horrible, unbelievable,” the President muttered moments after touching down by helicopter. He wrote his name in a guest book, beneath this scrawled sentiment: “This monument and the memory of those it honors inspire us further to the dedicated pursuit of peace, cooperation and security for all peoples.”
  • Turkish officers took control of all 24 American military bases in Turkey.

July 30
  • Near Detroit, former Teamsters Union president Jimmy Hoffa was reported missing after his car was found abandoned outside of the Machus Red Fox, a restaurant in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, where he had said he had an appointment to have lunch with a longtime friend, Detroit mobster Anthony Giacalone. Giacalone denied being aware of any plans for a luncheon date. A missing persons report was filed the next day after Hoffa failed to return to his home in Lake Orion. Neither Hoffa, nor his body, had been found more than 49 years after he vanished.
  • By a single vote (214-213), the U.S. House of Representatives joined the U.S. Senate in approving pay raises for Congressmen, federal judges, the U.S. Vice-President, and other U.S. officials. The President's annual salary remained at $200,000. On the same day, the House voted 228-189 to remove price limits on American gasoline, effective August 31.
  • James Blish, 54, American-born British science fiction author known for the Cities in Flight series and for his adaptation of Star Trek episodes to books of short stories, died of lung cancer.

July 31
  • Three members of a popular Irish pop group, The Miami Showband, were murdered by terrorists near the Northern Ireland town of Newry, while returning from a performance at Banbridge. Their van was flagged down by members of the Ulster Volunteer Force, who were wearing British Army uniforms and who had set up a phony checkpoint. While the van occupants were being lined up, two of the UVF men were trying to place a time bomb underneath the vehicle. The bomb went off prematurely, killing the two UVF men, and the rest of the terrorists shot the five bandmembers, killing lead singer Fran O'Toole, trumpeter Brian McCoy, and guitarist Tony Geraghty. The other two bandmembers, bassist Stephen Travers and saxophone player Des McAlea, were wounded.

August 1
  • The Helsinki Accords, recognizing Europe's national borders and respect for human rights, were signed by the leaders of 35 nations in Finland, including the 15 member states of NATO and the 7 Warsaw Pact nations. Among other things, the agreement conceded the legality of the Soviet Union's annexation of the Baltic nations of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, but also provided the first mechanism for holding the Communist nations to commitments toward human rights, and was later cited by Václav Havel as a key to the success of liberating Eastern Europe in 1989.
  • The skull of "KNM ER 3733," a woman of the species Homo ergaster, was discovered by Bernard Ngeneo, 1,750,000 years after her death, at the Koobi Fora Ridge near Lake Turkana in Kenya. By August 9, the nearly intact skull had been carefully unearthed.

August 2
  • The highest temperatures ever recorded in Massachusetts (107 °F at New Bedford) and Rhode Island (104 °F at Providence) took place during a heatwave in northeast United States.
  • Carrying U.S. President Ford on his departure from the Helsinki summit, Air Force One strayed from its flight plan and veered into restricted air space near Swedish military installations, prompting the Swedish Air Force to send a J35 Draken to intercept the jet and turn it away. Major Carl-Christen Hjort said that the fighter was equipped with air-to-air missiles, "but, of course, there were no plans to use them".


Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:
1. "One of These Nights," Eagles
2. "I'm Not in Love," 10cc
3. "Jive Talkin'," Bee Gees
4. "Please Mr. Please," Olivia Newton-John
5. "The Hustle," Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony
6. "Someone Saved My Life Tonight," Elton John
7. "Midnight Blue," Melissa Manchester
8. "Listen to What the Man Said," Wings
9. "Rockin' Chair," Gwen McCrae
10. "Dynomite, Pt. I," Tony Camillo's Bazuka
11. "The Way We Were / Try to Remember," Gladys Knight & The Pips
12. "Why Can't We Be Friends?," War
13. "The Rockford Files," Mike Post
14. "Rhinestone Cowboy," Glen Campbell
15. "How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved by You)," James Taylor
16. "I'm on Fire," Dwight Twilley Band
17. "Love Will Keep Us Together," Captain & Tenille
18. "Mornin' Beautiful," Tony Orlando & Dawn
19. "Every Time You Touch Me (I Get High)," Charlie Rich
20. "Slippery When Wet," Commodores
21. "Swearin' to God," Frankie Valli
22. "Fight the Power, Pt. 1," The Isley Brothers
23. "At Seventeen," Janis Ian
24. "Fallin' in Love," Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
25. "Holdin' On to Yesterday," Ambrosia
26. "Just a Little Bit of You," Michael Jackson
27. "Saturday Night Special," Lynyrd Skynyrd
28. "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," Freddy Fender
29. "Feel Like Makin' Love," Bad Company
30. "Could It Be Magic," Barry Manilow
31. "That's the Way of the World," Earth, Wind & Fire
32. "Get Down Tonight," KC & The Sunshine Band
33. "The Ballroom Blitz," Sweet
34. "Third Rate Romance," Amazing Rhythm Aces

36. "Send in the Clowns," Judy Collins

39. "Fame," David Bowie

44. "Help Me Rhonda," Johnny Rivers

46. "Magic," Pilot
47. "Tush," ZZ Top

50. "Misty," Ray Stevens

53. "Wildfire," Michael Murphey

55. "Daisy Jane," America
56. "Feelings," Morris Albert

58. "(I Believe) There's Nothing Stronger Than Our Love," Paul Anka w/ Odia Coates

63. "Sweet Emotion," Aerosmith
64. "How Long (Betcha' Got a Chick on the Side)," The Pointer Sisters

68. "Dance with Me," Orleans

70. "Hey You," Bachman-Turner Overdrive

72. "It Only Takes a Minute," Tavares

76. "Solitaire," Carpenters
77. "Sweet Maxine," The Doobie Brothers
78. "Run, Joey, Run," David Geddes

79. "Rocky," Austin Roberts

88. "Brazil," The Ritchie Family

95. "Lady Blue," Leon Russell

Leaving the chart:
  • "Get Down, Get Down (Get on the Floor)," Joe Simon (17 weeks)
  • "I'm Not Lisa," Jessi Colter (17 weeks)
  • "It's All Down to Goodnight Vienna," Ringo Starr (7 weeks)
  • "Love Won't Let Me Wait," Major Harris (18 weeks)
  • "Philadelphia Freedom," Elton John (21 weeks)
  • "Thank God I'm a Country Boy," John Denver (19 weeks)

New on the chart:

"Sweet Maxine," The Doobie Brothers
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"Solitaire," Carpenters
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(#17 US; #1 AC; #32 UK)

"Lady Blue," Leon Russell
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(#14 US; #13 AC)

"Brazil," The Ritchie Family
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(#11 US; #5 AC; #1 Dance; #13 R&B; #41 UK)

"Run, Joey, Run," David Geddes
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They never tumble onto tropical islands full of pretty women or onto the deck of a cruise ship that's not going to sink. I'm beginning to think the guy in the lab coat has a secret grudge against them for some reason.
Dr. Swain? It's Ann who's manning the controls... :shifty:

Maybe it's actually them from when they tumble here again in the future of the past.
Nah, they were different guys. Maybe the actors' doubles, we've seen shows possibly doing that before.
TTT21.jpg

Masochistic bunch.
Well, they were being made to do it by the guys with the guns.

We're not dealing with the Beagle Boys here.
Vaguely semi-capped. Looks like they were using different combinations of the same numbers.

This is such a bad plan in so many ways.
"It was Irwin's idea!"

Why, Doug, Why? The TT folks are gonna pull you out as soon as they can. All you had to do was wait.
IMDb contributors agree with you.

This is getting to be a habit.
Or a formula.

TT seems unable to establish voice contact in this episode.
Don't think it's even been brought up since they did it...but that could be the ol' airdate order thing.

They should have given him a note.
Pinned to his chest! :lol:

A familiar face for decades.
This is the era when he's practically unrecognizable to me because he has hair on his head instead of his lip.
TI22.jpg

He must have dropped it or it should have disappeared too.
I was wondering.

This seems odd. Does David still have a permanent address? And why would they get a subpoena?
Ruddell intercepted David at the marina on his way to see the Greelys.

Apparently different parts of the military are not communicating with each other, which is probably one of the most believable aspects of the show. :rommie:
IIRC, this is not the first time that we've seen them in military/government positions, which helps explain why the authorities aren't more on top of this despite incident after incident. Embedded aliens running interference could go a long way.

She had dumped him weeks earlier, but he's fishing for maximum sympathy.
I know shows of the era liked to play fast and loose with the passage of time and whatnot, but Fake Helen said that it had been a long time, and David indicated that she was now married in England. I'm thinking that David can't blame the aliens for this one.

So David found out about Greely from Ross? Was this in one of the reports he was looking for?
David and Ross were working the same lead, but it wasn't clear if the file was Greely's. Ross couldn't remember the name of the file he was looking for but thought it began with a P. Looking for it on that basis, he found it missing.

Okay, now we're talkin.'
Another chamber in the problematically scaled craft, between the entry hatch (which is climbed into via ladder) and the control room:
TI23.jpg

:D

From holodeck to make-it-look-like-an-accident. They vary wildly in their tactics. :rommie:
Their true ambition is to become TV writers.

A rare ray of hope. Of course, it probably means that Ross is doomed.
Looks like Coleman will be returning in S2, but as a different character.

I don't think I recognize either one.
Nor do I. They're OK but don't grab me.

Yeah, but they took it too far. I don't really want Trek to be realistic in that way-- I want it to be an example of a better future.
I've come to appreciate the Kirk-era approach of humanity still having room to grow and utopias being too good to be true.
 
Thailand's Prime Minister Kukrit Pramoj announced that all military agreements with the United States were at an end, and ordered that all American troops were to leave Thailand by March 20, 1976.
Too bad. I'm sure the troops enjoyed being posted to Thailand. :rommie:

In his nationally syndicated weekly column, astrologer Sydney Omarr predicted a "hot-weather, colorful week" in which "Leo, Aquarius persons grab headlines," noting that "Aquarians in the news during this 'hot week' could include such persons as Hank Aaron, James Hoffa and Betty Friedan." Hoffa would be in the news four days later after disappearing.
The proof is indisputable. I now fully believe in coincidence.

James Blish, 54, American-born British science fiction author known for the Cities in Flight series and for his adaptation of Star Trek episodes to books of short stories, died of lung cancer.
I had a bunch of those books in grade school. They were good to have in the days before home media, but they kind of bugged me because they were incomplete.

The highest temperatures ever recorded in Massachusetts (107 °F at New Bedford) and Rhode Island (104 °F at Providence) took place during a heatwave in northeast United States.
I have vague memories of a bad heat wave, but the heat never bothered me much. Cold was my Kryptonite.

Carrying U.S. President Ford on his departure from the Helsinki summit, Air Force One strayed from its flight plan and veered into restricted air space near Swedish military installations, prompting the Swedish Air Force to send a J35 Draken to intercept the jet and turn it away. Major Carl-Christen Hjort said that the fighter was equipped with air-to-air missiles, "but, of course, there were no plans to use them".
This is what they get for letting Gerry drive. "Your other left, Mister President, your other left!"

"Sweet Maxine," The Doobie Brothers
Not ringing any bells.

"Solitaire," Carpenters
Also not triggering any memories, but I could listen to Karen Carpenter all day.

"Lady Blue," Leon Russell
Also not registering on the ol' memory meter, and I think I've already forgotten it.

"Brazil," The Ritchie Family
Oh, yeah, I do know this one, just not by name. Moderate nostalgic value.

"Run, Joey, Run," David Geddes
I definitely remember this one. Aargh. I'll pass on playing the video. :rommie:

Dr. Swain? It's Ann who's manning the controls... :shifty:
I know, but I didn't want to implicate her. She's pretty, but Lab Coat Guy looks a little shady. :rommie:

Nah, they were different guys. Maybe the actors' doubles, we've seen shows possibly doing that before. View attachment 47874
Yeah, the resemblance is strong.

Well, they were being made to do it by the guys with the guns.
Guys with guns can be persuasive.

Vaguely semi-capped. Looks like they were using different combinations of the same numbers.
Pretty much. I could never figure out if we saw the same Beagle Boy twice, but I'm sure someone on the Internet has figured it out by now. :rommie:

"It was Irwin's idea!"
:rommie:

Don't think it's even been brought up since they did it...but that could be the ol' airdate order thing.
I'm fairly sure it becomes a normal part of the routine.

Pinned to his chest! :lol:
Now that would have been funny. :rommie:

This is the era when he's practically unrecognizable to me because he has hair on his head instead of his lip. View attachment 47876
You're right, I may not have recognized him. Maybe if I saw him moving and talking.

IIRC, this is not the first time that we've seen them in military/government positions, which helps explain why the authorities aren't more on top of this despite incident after incident. Embedded aliens running interference could go a long way.
This is really something they should have been focusing on.

Another chamber in the problematically scaled craft, between the entry hatch (which is climbed into via ladder) and the control room: View attachment 47879
They are firm believers in color coding, apparently.

Their true ambition is to become TV writers.
Another solid avenue to world domination.

I've come to appreciate the Kirk-era approach of humanity still having room to grow and utopias being too good to be true.
The Kirk-era approach is probably optimum. Society is in good shape, but some people need a dopey slap now and then. Human nature doesn't change, but the rules of civilization do.
 
The proof is indisputable. I now fully believe in coincidence.
:D Or maybe inside knowledge... :shifty:

I had a bunch of those books in grade school. They were good to have in the days before home media, but they kind of bugged me because they were incomplete.
I had limited exposure to them, including his original novel, Spock Must Die!

This is what they get for letting Gerry drive.
Pretty sure he and the press used Jerry.

"Your other left, Mister President, your other left!"
So that's not just an Indiana thing... :D

Not ringing any bells.
This would be the ol' hobgoblin again...included because I'd dipped into Doobies singles that peaked in the 30s. I may get it, but my first impression is that it's just kinda noisy.

Also not triggering any memories, but I could listen to Karen Carpenter all day.
This one was written by Neil Sedaka, and when I listened, I knew I was familiar with a different version of it. Turns out it was by an early 21st-century singer my Ex was/is into. What the hell, let's give him a bump.
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(charted Apr. 3, 2004; #4 US; #27 AC)

Also not registering on the ol' memory meter, and I think I've already forgotten it.
I'll probably get this one just to have two Leon Russell singles to rub together.

Oh, yeah, I do know this one, just not by name. Moderate nostalgic value.
This is the only one of this batch that I already had, though apparently that's because I bought a multi-artist disco compilation that the album-length version was on. It's otherwise not familiar to me.

I definitely remember this one. Aargh. I'll pass on playing the video. :rommie:
Seems to me that this one may have come up in conversation here at some point, though I couldn't remember the context. I've probably been exposed to it before, but it's not especially familiar and I have no memory of it from in the era. And aw, c'mon, watch the video. :p

ETA: Ah, here we go.
"Quick Joey Small (Run Joey Run)," Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus
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(#25 US; #19 UK)
Whew, for a second I thought it was that other "Run, Joey Run." I never heard this one before.

I know, but I didn't want to implicate her. She's pretty, but Lab Coat Guy looks a little shady. :rommie:
She could have some history with one of them that we're unfamiliar with.

You're right, I may not have recognized him. Maybe if I saw him moving and talking.
Kinda vaguely resembles Larry Hagman at a glance, but that could be the uniform.

This is really something they should have been focusing on.
Perhaps they will as time goes on. Bottom line, though, is it's episodic television, so they weren't necessarily going for any sort of preplanned arc.

They are firm believers in color coding, apparently.
Or just groovy lighting.

The Kirk-era approach is probably optimum. Society is in good shape, but some people need a dopey slap now and then. Human nature doesn't change, but the rules of civilization do.
There ya go. I bought into the TNG-era conceits when the shows were current, but the whole formula got pretty stale by the time they got to VGR and ENT.

There's a noteworthy entry on the album chart this week in 50th Anniversaryland, which I figure I'll give a nod to now as the first charting single is months away. In lieu of one of those well-known singles that will eventually come up, I'll post the album's opening track, featuring one of the band's two new singer/songwriters, this one also being their new lead guitarist.
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I had a bunch of those books in grade school. They were good to have in the days before home media, but they kind of bugged me because they were incomplete.
They had them at the local library we always went to back in the day. They were situated right at the edge of the "kids books" section. :techman:
 
:D Or maybe inside knowledge... :shifty:
Now there's a Perry Mason plot....

I had limited exposure to them, including his original novel, Spock Must Die!
Oh, right, how could I forget? I had that too. The plot had something to do with the Organians being trapped on their planet by a massive force field. I forget why Spock had to die. I think there was some kind of transporter incident when they tried to beam through the force field.

Pretty sure he and the press used Jerry.
Hmm. Apparently so. Looks weird to me for some reason.

So that's not just an Indiana thing... :D
I don't think so. I forget where it came from.

This one was written by Neil Sedaka
Interesting. It doesn't seem to sound like him.

Turns out it was by an early 21st-century singer my Ex was/is into. What the hell, let's give him a bump.
I've never heard it, but I think I've heard of the singer.

Seems to me that this one may have come up in conversation here at some point, though I couldn't remember the context. I've probably been exposed to it before, but it's not especially familiar and I have no memory of it from in the era. And aw, c'mon, watch the video. :p
Oh, good grief. They acted it out. This makes it so much worse. :rommie:

ETA: Ah, here we go.
I was so relieved that it wasn't the one I just had to listen to. :rommie:

She could have some history with one of them that we're unfamiliar with.
Could be, although she seemed pretty huggy with them when she time traveled. Or maybe she was only huggy with one of them. I can't remember.

Or just groovy lighting.
It's definitely groovy.

There ya go. I bought into the TNG-era conceits when the shows were current, but the whole formula got pretty stale by the time they got to VGR and ENT.
I'm good with the formula. There are other shows and books and stuff with other formulae.

There's a noteworthy entry on the album chart this week in 50th Anniversaryland, which I figure I'll give a nod to now as the first charting single is months away. In lieu of one of those well-known singles that will eventually come up, I'll post the album's opening track, featuring one of the band's two new singer/songwriters, this one also being their new lead guitarist.
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Ah, I love this one. We had the album (on 8-Track), so I used to play it a lot. Strong nostalgic value.

They had them at the local library we always went to back in the day. They were situated right at the edge of the "kids books" section. :techman:
I just remembered that they were reprinted a few short years ago in hardcover omnibus editions. I think it was the Science Fiction Book Club that did it. Anyway, I bought them for old time's sake, so they're sitting somewhere in my storage unit. I don't think I have Spock Must Die!, though. I have to look into that.
 


50th Shall Be the Anniversary of the Cinematic Special, and the Anniversary of the Cinematic Special Shall Be 50th.
49th Shalt Thou Not Commemorate, Neither Commemorate Thou 51st, Excepting That Thou Then Proceed to 50th.
48th Is Right Out!




Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Directed by Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones
Starring Graham Chapman, John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, and Michael Palin
Premiered March 14, 1975 (L.A.)
General US release: July 18, 1975
Nominated for 26 Oscars, 3 Brians, a Maureen, & 1 Sergio
Wiki said:
Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a 1975 British comedy film based on the Arthurian legend, written and performed by the Monty Python comedy group and directed by Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones in their feature directorial debuts. It was conceived during the hiatus between the third and fourth series of their BBC Television series Monty Python's Flying Circus.

While the group's first film, And Now for Something Completely Different, was a compilation of sketches from the first two television series, Holy Grail is an original story that parodies the legend of King Arthur's quest for the Holy Grail.
Original Theatrical Trailer

This is one that I originally discovered from a library checkout back in '85, though I found that I'd already been exposed a bit to its highly quotable gags through geek osmosis. For this one I think I'll step back from commentary and let the clips do the talking.

Ye Liste of Players (not including the moose and llamas):
Wiki said:
Graham Chapman as:
  • Arthur, King of the Britons
  • The hiccuping guard
  • The middle head of the Three-Headed Giant
  • The voice of God
John Cleese as:
  • Sir Lancelot the Brave
  • The Black Knight
  • French Taunter
  • Tim the Enchanter
  • And other roles
Terry Gilliam as:
  • Patsy (Arthur's servant)
  • The Soothsaying Bridgekeeper
  • The Green Knight
  • Sir Bors
  • the Weak-Hearted Animator
  • And other roles
Eric Idle as:
  • Sir Robin the-not-quite-so-brave-as-Sir-Lancelot
  • Lancelot's squire Concorde
  • The collector of the dead
  • Roger the Shrubber
  • Brother Maynard
  • And other roles
Terry Jones as:
  • Sir Bedevere the Wise
  • Prince Herbert
  • Dennis' mother
  • The left head of the Three-Headed Giant
  • And other roles
Michael Palin as:
  • Sir Galahad the Pure
  • Leader of the Knights Who Say Ni
  • Lord of Swamp Castle
  • Dennis
  • The right head of the Three-Headed Giant
  • The Narrator
  • And other roles
Connie Booth as Miss Islington (the Witch)

Carol Cleveland as Zoot and Dingo, the identical twin sisters

Neil Innes as the Leader of Robin's Minstrels, Head Monk, Knight of Camelot, and the Servant Crushed by Rabbit

Bee Duffell as the Old Crone

John Young as Frank the Historian and the Old Man

Rita Davies as Frank's Wife

Avril Stewart as Dr. Piglet

Sally Kinghorn as Dr. Winston

Sandy Johnson as a Knight Who Says Ni, Villager at Witch Burning, Musician at Wedding, Monk, and Knight in Battle

Wiki said:
The opening credits of the film feature pseudo-Swedish subtitles, which soon turn into an appeal to visit Sweden and see the country's moose. The subtitles are soon stopped and claim that the people responsible have been sacked, but moose references continue throughout the actual credits. The subtitles were written by Michael Palin as a way to "entertain the 'captive' audience" at the beginning of the film.
Opening Credits

In AD 932, King Arthur and his squire Patsy, who claps coconut shells as Arthur mimes riding a horse, travel Britain searching for men to join the Knights of the Round Table. Along the way, Arthur debates whether swallows could carry coconuts,
Opening Scene
passes through a town infected with a plague,
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recounts receiving Excalibur from the Lady of the Lake to two anarcho-syndicalist peasants,
Lady of the Lake
and defeats the Black Knight.
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At an impromptu witch trial, he recruits Sir Bedevere the Wise,
Witch Trial
later joined by Sir Lancelot the Brave, Sir Galahad the Pure, Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-as-Sir-Lancelot, and the aptly named Sir Not-Appearing-in-this-Film, along with their squires and Robin's minstrels. Arthur leads the knights to Camelot, but changes his mind after the knights in the castle perform a musical number, deeming it "a silly place".
Camelot
God then appears and orders Arthur to find the Holy Grail.

Arthur and his knights arrive at a castle occupied by French soldiers, who claim to have the Grail and taunt the Britons, driving them back with a barrage of barnyard animals.
French Taunting
Bedevere concocts a plan to sneak in using a Trojan Rabbit, but forgets to tell the others to hide inside it; the Knights are forced to flee when it is flung back at them. Arthur decides the knights should go their separate ways to search for the Grail. Meanwhile, a modern-day historian filming a documentary on the Arthurian legends is killed by an unknown knight on horseback, triggering a police investigation.
A Famous Historian

Arthur and Bedevere are given directions by an old man and attempt to satisfy the strange requests of the dreaded Knights Who Say "Ni!".
The Knights Who Say "Ni!"
Sir Robin avoids a fight with a Three-Headed Knight by running away while the heads are arguing amongst themselves.
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Minstrel Neil Innes would go on to do the brilliant Beatles parody music in the Rutles, All You Need Is Cash, as well as playing the John character, Ron Nasty.
Sir Galahad is led by a grail-shaped beacon to Castle Anthrax, which is occupied exclusively by nubile young women, who wish to be punished for misleading him, but is "rescued" against his will by Lancelot.
The Tale of Sir Galahad
Lancelot receives an arrow-shot note from Swamp Castle. Believing the author is a lady being forced to marry against her will, he storms the castle and slaughters several wedding party members, only to discover the author is an effeminate prince.
The Tale of Sir Lancelot

Arthur and his knights regroup and are joined by Brother Maynard, his monk brethren, and three new knights: Bors, Gawain and Ector. They meet Tim the Enchanter, a pyromancer who directs them to a cave where the location of the Grail is said to be written.
Tim the Enchanter
The entrance to the cave is guarded by the Rabbit of Caerbannog. Underestimating it, the knights attack, but the Rabbit easily kills Bors, Gawain and Ector. Arthur uses the "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch", provided by Brother Maynard, to destroy the creature.
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Inside the cave, they find an inscription from Joseph of Arimathea, directing them to "the Castle of Aarrgh". They are interrupted by an attack from the animated "Legendary Black Beast" that lives in the cave, which devours Brother Maynard and pursues the others. Arthur and the knights escape after the film's animator unexpectedly suffers a fatal heart attack, erasing the Black Beast.

The knights approach the Bridge of Death, where the bridge-keeper demands they answer three questions in order to pass or else be cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril. Lancelot easily answers simple questions and crosses. An overly cocky Robin is defeated by an unexpectedly difficult question, and an indecisive Galahad fails an easy one; both are magically flung into the gorge. When Arthur asks for clarification on a question regarding the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow, the bridge-keeper cannot answer and is himself thrown into the gorge.
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Arthur and Bedevere cannot find Lancelot, unaware that he has been arrested by police investigating the historian's death. They find Castle Aarrgh occupied by the French soldiers from earlier in the film. After being repelled by showers of manure, they summon an army of knights and prepare to assault the castle. As the army charges, the police arrive, arrest Arthur and Bedevere on suspicion of the murder of the historian, and break the camera, abruptly ending the film.
Conclusion

Wiki said:
Monty Python and the Holy Grail grossed more than any other British film screened in the US in 1975, and has since been considered one of the greatest comedy films of all time. In the US, it was selected in 2011 as the second-best comedy of all time in the ABC special Best in Film: The Greatest Movies of Our Time, behind Airplane!
Eric Idle used the film as the basis for the 2005 Tony Award-winning musical Spamalot.
IMDb said:
Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Genesis all contributed to this movie's budget.

Funds earned by Pink Floyd's album The Dark Side of the Moon went toward funding this movie. The band were such fans of the show, they would halt recording sessions just to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus.



On Second Thought, Let's Not Do a 50th Anniversary Cinematic Special. It Is a Silly Film.



Oh, right, how could I forget? I had that too. The plot had something to do with the Organians being trapped on their planet by a massive force field. I forget why Spock had to die. I think there was some kind of transporter incident when they tried to beam through the force field.
There was a duplicate Spock involved; and in the end, the Klingons got Organian-powered (by Spock, I think) back to the stone age or something, which clearly wouldn't square with future canon.

I've never heard it, but I think I've heard of the singer.
He was the runner-up on the second season of American Idol. In addition to launching a recording career, he branched out into other things over the years...including playing Sir Robin and Brother Maynard on Broadway in Spamalot. My Ex, who used to begrudgingly tolerate my geek culture, came to be able to quote the Holy Grail gags better than I could, which was scary.

Oh, good grief. They acted it out. This makes it so much worse. :rommie:
:lol: Thank you for indulging me.

Could be, although she seemed pretty huggy with them when she time traveled. Or maybe she was only huggy with one of them. I can't remember.
"Oh, honey, I'm doing everything I can to pull you back, I swear!" Say, maybe she's seeing Dr. Swain behind their backs... :shifty:

I'm good with the formula. There are other shows and books and stuff with other formulae.
It got very, very stale by the time of ENT when I realized I was watching the third iteration of a story I'd originally watched on TNG and that the lines had been written with better characters in mind.

Ah, I love this one. We had the album (on 8-Track), so I used to play it a lot. Strong nostalgic value.
That's a pleasant surprise, I thought I'd have to tell you what was on it. You're usually "album, schmalbum". :lol: I was surprised that it took them so long to get a breakout single out of the record. May have something to do with what I'd read years back. Up to that point, Fleetwood Mac had been considered a safe risk by their label despite their regular lineup changes. They had an established following and could always be counted on to sell a certain number of records with minimal promotion. When they got Lindsey and Stevie and made this one, the band knew they were onto something bigger, but they had to struggle to convince the label to put more effort into promoting it.
 
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50th Shall Be the Anniversary of the Cinematic Special, and the Anniversary of the Cinematic Special Shall Be 50th.
49th Shalt Thou Not Commemorate, Neither Commemorate Thou 51st, Excepting That Thou Then Proceed to 50th.
48th Is Right Out!
51st, you mean.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail
This is a great movie. My favorite part is when Sean Connery chases the pigeons on the beach.

This is one that I originally discovered from a library checkout back in '85, though I found that I'd already been exposed a bit to its highly quotable gags through geek osmosis. For this one I think I'll step back from commentary and let the clips do the talking.
We used to watch Monty Python all the time back in the 70s, but I'm not sure if I ever saw this movie. I may have rented it back in the VHS days, but I'm not sure now. I've seen so many clips over the years, it's hard to tell. :rommie:

Where are those subtitles when you need them?

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The killer bunny is one of the funniest things ever. :rommie:

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Genesis all contributed to this movie's budget.

Funds earned by Pink Floyd's album The Dark Side of the Moon went toward funding this movie. The band were such fans of the show, they would halt recording sessions just to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus.
This is great. I don't think I had ever heard this before. I wonder if they just contributed their money like a Kickstarter, or if they shared in the profits.

On Second Thought, Let's Not Do a 50th Anniversary Cinematic Special. It Is a Silly Film.
We could always do a Post-48th Annviersary Cinematic Special.

There was a duplicate Spock involved
Oh, yeah. I remember him having to create left-handed proteins in a homemade lab or something.

and in the end, the Klingons got Organian-powered (by Spock, I think) back to the stone age or something, which clearly wouldn't square with future canon.
I wonder how all this came about. Maybe they were planning more novels in the series.

:lol: Thank you for indulging me.
It's the least I can do to support the Classic Retro Pop Culture cause. :rommie:

"Oh, honey, I'm doing everything I can to pull you back, I swear!" Say, maybe she's seeing Dr. Swain behind their backs... :shifty:
She's the only woman there. She can get action from anyone she wants. :rommie:

It got very, very stale by the time of ENT when I realized I was watching the third iteration of a story I'd originally watched on TNG and that the lines had been written with better characters in mind.
Have you ever seen Babylon 5? It's on the same level as Trek and pretty much promotes the same broad principles, but with a very different approach. Based on what you're saying here, I think it might be right up your alley.

That's a pleasant surprise, I thought I'd have to tell you what was on it. You're usually "album, schmalbum". :lol:
Yeah, true. :rommie: It was actually my Mother's tape. She loves Fleetwood Mac. I think there's actually two or three non-single cuts on that album that should have been hit singles.

I was surprised that it took them so long to get a breakout single out of the record. May have something to do with what I'd read years back. Up to that point, Fleetwood Mac had been considered a safe risk by their label despite their regular lineup changes. They had an established following and could always be counted on to sell a certain number of records with minimal promotion. When they got Lindsey and Stevie and made this one, the band knew they were onto something bigger, but they had to struggle to convince the label to put more effort into promoting it.
But then they really only had two major albums. They kind of fizzled after that.
 
51st, you mean.
Beg pardon?

This is a great movie. My favorite part is when Sean Connery chases the pigeons on the beach.
Indyed.

We used to watch Monty Python all the time back in the 70s, but I'm not sure if I ever saw this movie. I may have rented it back in the VHS days, but I'm not sure now. I've seen so many clips over the years, it's hard to tell. :rommie:
I was never into the show. The film's currently available on Tubi, FWIW.

Oh, yeah. I remember him having to create left-handed proteins in a homemade lab or something.
That sounds familiar.

Have you ever seen Babylon 5? It's on the same level as Trek and pretty much promotes the same broad principles, but with a very different approach. Based on what you're saying here, I think it might be right up your alley.
I caught bits and pieces in the day, but wasn't interested then, when it was Trek's competition.

But then they really only had two major albums. They kind of fizzled after that.
I think they did a bit better than that. They certainly maintained a lasting presence over the years.
 
Beg pardon?
Nothing. Just being silly. :rommie:

:mallory:

I was never into the show. The film's currently available on Tubi, FWIW.
We could recite some of those skits word for word. Especially the Dead Parrot one. :rommie:

I caught bits and pieces in the day, but wasn't interested then, when it was Trek's competition.
I highly recommend it as one of the best TV shows ever. The thing to remember is that it's literally a novel for television-- each episode is a chapter, even though it stands by itself. Some people find it a slog to get through the first season, but almost everything that happens is setting up what's coming down the line. Also, it has a great cast. And almost every episode was written by the same guy, which is quite an accomplishment-- JMS is the Stirling Siliphant of Sci-Fi. :rommie:

I think they did a bit better than that. They certainly maintained a lasting presence over the years.
They definitely weren't forgotten, that's for sure, but their fame is pretty much entirely based on Fleetwood Mac and Rumours.
 
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