The Captain is dead, long live the Captain.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Abi Smith, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. Abi Smith

    Abi Smith Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    So I recently read that the network suggested killing Archer at the end of Season 3, Braga was against it but Coto could have been swayed, given they accepted the Temporal Cold War, what do you think would/should have happened?
    Rank everyone up, T'Pol becomes captain, the series gets an upsurge in views, based solely on a catsuited captain?
    Or a whole new captain; younger, more exciting like the network wanted, the dynamic captain is woefully misjudged, getting the show cancelled even quicker?
    Who would you have cast as this vibrant Captain Freshface in 2005, provide an actor and character synopsis?
     
  2. XCV330

    XCV330 Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Captain Ramirez of Intrepid might have been the logical choice, unless Captain Hernandez was bumped from Columbia to Enterprise.

    Either Josh Cruze or Ada Maris would have been up to the task, I think. I'm not an Archer fan. Killing off Archer and giving the role to either of them might have shaken things up just a bit to get a few more extra viewers to Enterprise and save it.
     
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  3. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I’ve never heard that UPN wanted to kill Archer. Source for this?
     
  4. Ensign_Redshirt

    Ensign_Redshirt Commodore Commodore

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    Well, they could have replaced him with Jason Isaacs who would have then been revealed as being from the MU in In a Mirror, Darkly... no, wait...
     
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  5. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I wouldn't have minded if Archer had been killed off, he was a bit of a bumbling fool, IMO. Ben Browder could've been brought in as the mentioned but never seen Captain Gardner (they could've snapped him up before he went on to SG-1), or Captain Alex Chase played by the likes of Melinda Clarke or Dina Meyer, or maybe a Captain of Middle Eastern origin.
     
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  6. Takeru

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    Archer was an awful captain, he came off as incompetent, arrogant and a bit stupid. Killing him would have improved the series but it should have happened way earlier. The end of season 3 was too late, I doubt it would have revived interest in the show at that point.
     
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  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    A Vulcan observer/desserter as captain of Earth's first and foremost exploration ship? I can't see that quite working. Make Trip captain, have Lorien fall through a temporal bubble or resurrect JG Robinson somehow. Or promote Trip!!

    I was never a fan of Archer. Bakula just seemed awkward and incredibly bland, at least until he went off the deep end in season 3. He was from New York, had a dog, went to flight school and then was handed the keys to the Enterprise because his father built the engine and their plan A guy killed himself. That's literally it.
     
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  8. Kor

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    Have a prodigious Starfleet Academy cadet save the planet and be rewarded by being bumped up to Captain and given command of the Enterprise.

    Kor
     
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  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    Isn't that pretty much what happened? What did Archer command before Enterprise? Or even serve on? Seems like he was just a test pilot who went to flight school and nothing else.

    Famous daddies take you far in Starfleet.
     
  10. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

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    He was a Commander in the NX Program.

    Kor
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    Which meant what, exactly?
     
  12. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

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    I always saw it like having decision-making capacity in a NASA test flight program.

    Kor
     
  13. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    Archer having this happen to him would have been a mistake, and there are probably more fans of Archer out there than anybody on this board realizes.
     
  14. Jayson1

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    It might have helped in the ratings. Bring in a big enough star that makes people tune in. Someone who is more of a soldier type that lend him or herself out more to pure action stories.

    Jason
     
  15. Nyotarules

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    I'm one of them
     
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  16. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

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    As am I.
     
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  17. HopefulRomantic

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    Me too :mallory:
     
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  18. gornsky

    gornsky Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    MeToo! I never saw him as bumbling, awkward, or a fool. At worst, he was idealistic and a bit naive. He led by inspiration, enthusiasm and loyalty. I thought he was structured as the personification of humans reaching out into space with a sense of exploration and adventure, getting a very firm reality check and having to adapt quickly or die.
     
  19. TribbleFeeder

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    Not my favorite Captain but I liked Archer quite a bit. I wouldn’t have wanted him to be killed off.

    However, I’m so down for promoting Trip.
     
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  20. Abi Smith

    Abi Smith Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I would have brought in either Naveen Andrews or Indira Varma, if the producers could be persuaded to have another female captain.
     
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