What prompted this change to the darker Borg? Are we meant to think they were always like the new version or that they changed?
The borg change..
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"Darker"? You mean, "with blotted rather than light grey makeup"?
What prompted it is obvious: it looks better on the movie screen. But whether it should be retroactively applied on the Borg we saw in TNG...
Well, it is quite possible that different species gain different unnatural skin hues when assimilated, and that the ones assimilated for crewing the TNG Cubes all happened to gain light grey rather than blotted skin in the process.
However, we get a supposed "flashback" scene in ST:FC where Picard relives part of his experiences from "Best of Both Worlds", and the background Borg of the movie do look different from the background Borg of the TV episode.
Then again, perhaps the shots in the "flashback" just happened to have blotted Borg while the ones in the original episode happened to have flat grey ones. And it's by no means certain that Picard really is getting a true flashback. Instead, he could be hooked on to modern Borg feed and jumbling the material in his brain. The Borg might even be deliberately feeding the stuff into Picard's dreams in order to prepare him for his role in the master plan where the E-E is lured into the past to perform services for the Collective.
Timo Saloniemi
What prompted it is obvious: it looks better on the movie screen. But whether it should be retroactively applied on the Borg we saw in TNG...
Well, it is quite possible that different species gain different unnatural skin hues when assimilated, and that the ones assimilated for crewing the TNG Cubes all happened to gain light grey rather than blotted skin in the process.
However, we get a supposed "flashback" scene in ST:FC where Picard relives part of his experiences from "Best of Both Worlds", and the background Borg of the movie do look different from the background Borg of the TV episode.
Then again, perhaps the shots in the "flashback" just happened to have blotted Borg while the ones in the original episode happened to have flat grey ones. And it's by no means certain that Picard really is getting a true flashback. Instead, he could be hooked on to modern Borg feed and jumbling the material in his brain. The Borg might even be deliberately feeding the stuff into Picard's dreams in order to prepare him for his role in the master plan where the E-E is lured into the past to perform services for the Collective.
Timo Saloniemi
They need better effects for the movie Star Trek: First Contact, and yes, we're supposed to believe they always looked that way. See the Voyager episode "The Raven", which shows Borg before they were encountered by the Enterprise-D.
I take the movie screen explanation (same reason apparently the Enterprise D had to go bye bye) but I dont get why we were supposed to think they always looked like that.
The bottom line is that Star Trek is filled with a number of decrepencies that are the simple product of an extended media production. The reality is that we as Star Trek fans, rather than accepting them as such, choose to create imaginitive explanations for those decrepencies; If Star Trek had errors, it wouldn't be Star Trek; that's why it doesn't, even though it does. It is such dogmatic fan enthuseism that creates - and maintains - cannon. Realistically, the 24th century hasn't come yet... but in the mind if the 'Trekkie,' Star Trek is indeed the History of the past. (And I capitalized the "H" in "History" for a reason. 
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Well, it's the same thing with Klingons, who looked very different in TOS, then came the movies and suddenly even the pre-TOS Klingons had these bumpy foreheads. But as Worf said they don't discuss the reasons with outsiders. 
...Maybe the Borg don't either.
Anyway, I liked the new design. I even went so far and drew a Portrait shot of TNG's Hugh with the "updated" design. So, I don't mind pretending they always looked that way.
...Maybe the Borg don't either.
Anyway, I liked the new design. I even went so far and drew a Portrait shot of TNG's Hugh with the "updated" design. So, I don't mind pretending they always looked that way.
I don't know why the look changed but purhaps they went with the "darker" or the more creepy look because Trek itself was going through chnages. ToS and Tng were about exploration, peace, seeking out new life. Ds9 morphed into this darker trek series centered around War and opression. Voyager was a light comedy family type trek for the most part but the Borg episodes are dark. The Borg might of just needed to inoke fear into the auidance.
Before during Tng they were not creepy to me, they were little white faced computers walking around. in Voyager they were not so "friendly"
Before during Tng they were not creepy to me, they were little white faced computers walking around. in Voyager they were not so "friendly"
The bottom line is that Star Trek is filled with a number of decrepencies that are the simple product of an extended media production. The reality is that we as Star Trek fans, rather than accepting them as such, choose to create imaginitive explanations for those decrepencies; If Star Trek had errors, it wouldn't be Star Trek; that's why it doesn't, even though it does. It is such dogmatic fan enthuseism that creates - and maintains - cannon. Realistically, the 24th century hasn't come yet... but in the mind if the 'Trekkie,' Star Trek is indeed the History of the past. (And I capitalized the "H" in "History" for a reason.
The fact that fans have to invent those "In universe" explanations in some ways is a testament to the shows success.
Eg the Klingon Foreheads, nobody thought the show would still be going into the 21st century where they'd have bigger makeup dudgets.
I recently read the convoluted explanation for why when Voyager went to 1996 there were no Eugenics wars, but isn't it a good thing that the show lasted long enough to REQUIRE such an insane explanation?
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