Is one format pulling ahead? Has anyone heard?
The BluRay vs HD war... Any fallout from the Holiday season?
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Here is the current Amazon.com top 25 sellers in DVDs.
There are 17 Blu-Rays, 8 DVDs and no HD-DVDs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd
But really the war will drag on until next Christmas I think.
There are 17 Blu-Rays, 8 DVDs and no HD-DVDs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd
But really the war will drag on until next Christmas I think.
Re: The BluRay vs HD war... Any fallout from the Holiday sea
OH I am sure the BOGO has a lot to do with the fact that 70 of the top 100 are Blu-Rays and only 4 or 5 are HD-DVDs but it's pretty clear by the time the final figures are released for the holiday season Blu-ray sales will be on top by a considerable margin just by its large numerical advantage. The war will go on of course unless Warner switches to BR exclusive which just might kill off HD-DVD by the end of 2008.
OH I am sure the BOGO has a lot to do with the fact that 70 of the top 100 are Blu-Rays and only 4 or 5 are HD-DVDs but it's pretty clear by the time the final figures are released for the holiday season Blu-ray sales will be on top by a considerable margin just by its large numerical advantage. The war will go on of course unless Warner switches to BR exclusive which just might kill off HD-DVD by the end of 2008.
Re: The BluRay vs HD war... Any fallout from the Holiday sea
Ironically format wars are like World War One, only bloodless and cleaner.
You have monolithic, ancient powers too concerned with their own minutiae and obsession with power and wealth fighting over precisely fuck all to prove a point when it is already a fact that co-operation pays more dividends.
Stuck in the middle, Joe Sucker and his credit card, fleeced for everything they have and left lying there when its all over and forgotten.
OK - ripping people off by getting them to buy their whole movie collections again, possibly with some coasters thrown in if they take the wrong card is not in the same league as sending kids running at machine guns but you get what I mean...
It is all such a big con, Sony are fed up with getting bitch-slapped and even if Blu Ray wins they have lost years of goodwill and a concerted marketing effort - imagine if one format had been released? How many more HD movies would have been sold?
Ironically format wars are like World War One, only bloodless and cleaner.
You have monolithic, ancient powers too concerned with their own minutiae and obsession with power and wealth fighting over precisely fuck all to prove a point when it is already a fact that co-operation pays more dividends.
Stuck in the middle, Joe Sucker and his credit card, fleeced for everything they have and left lying there when its all over and forgotten.
OK - ripping people off by getting them to buy their whole movie collections again, possibly with some coasters thrown in if they take the wrong card is not in the same league as sending kids running at machine guns but you get what I mean...
It is all such a big con, Sony are fed up with getting bitch-slapped and even if Blu Ray wins they have lost years of goodwill and a concerted marketing effort - imagine if one format had been released? How many more HD movies would have been sold?
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Amen but of course the Blu-Ray camp shall start the Les cent jours du Canada of their own in the spring of 08.
This is what happens when either side think they can win a swift war. There is also a matter of billions of research money that needs to be recovered.
You think?
I think you are off on this matter of us being ripped off. I bought Blu-Ray copy of old movies because I enjoy the better picture quality. For me it's worth the price and I am sure that is the case as well for millions of other HD consumers. Some people might spend thousands of dollars on other things like beer, hookers, concert tickets, sporting events, pot, charity, designer clothes, sports cars, etc but we choose to spend it on digital media. Of course if a person did buy a significant amount of titles in the the eventual dead format then he or she might feel it was a fleece all along. I agree on that front hence you must choose carefully.
I think the biggest obstacle to HD adoption is still the lack of HDTVs.
Amen but of course the Blu-Ray camp shall start the Les cent jours du Canada of their own in the spring of 08.
This is what happens when either side think they can win a swift war. There is also a matter of billions of research money that needs to be recovered.
You think?
I think you are off on this matter of us being ripped off. I bought Blu-Ray copy of old movies because I enjoy the better picture quality. For me it's worth the price and I am sure that is the case as well for millions of other HD consumers. Some people might spend thousands of dollars on other things like beer, hookers, concert tickets, sporting events, pot, charity, designer clothes, sports cars, etc but we choose to spend it on digital media. Of course if a person did buy a significant amount of titles in the the eventual dead format then he or she might feel it was a fleece all along. I agree on that front hence you must choose carefully.
I think the biggest obstacle to HD adoption is still the lack of HDTVs.
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I'm sure that is true, and don't get me wrong I will probably invest in an HD solid-state format at some point myself.
Ripped-off was an ill chosen term, I think more that the marketplace is extremely cynical. I think in the long run we all have to take the plunge and spend the cash to enjoy our favourite films and TV as we would like to see them.
But Sony, they're still C**ts!
Fine, I'll make my own HD format, with beer, and hookers! In fact forget the HD format!
Or wait and see who wins and side with them, my current plan.
Well that is getting resolved. A large-screen LCD or Plasma (which are all HD capable in the UK now) is the current "must have" item for the British consumer, and prices are going through the floor.
I'm sure that is true, and don't get me wrong I will probably invest in an HD solid-state format at some point myself.
Ripped-off was an ill chosen term, I think more that the marketplace is extremely cynical. I think in the long run we all have to take the plunge and spend the cash to enjoy our favourite films and TV as we would like to see them.
But Sony, they're still C**ts!
Fine, I'll make my own HD format, with beer, and hookers! In fact forget the HD format!
Or wait and see who wins and side with them, my current plan.
Well that is getting resolved. A large-screen LCD or Plasma (which are all HD capable in the UK now) is the current "must have" item for the British consumer, and prices are going through the floor.
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I suspect that BluRay will win, but I went 'purple' since there are some films I love (Transformers, anyone?) that are only available in HD-DVD. I am not anywhere near close to patient enough to wait any longer.
I suspect that BluRay will win, but I went 'purple' since there are some films I love (Transformers, anyone?) that are only available in HD-DVD. I am not anywhere near close to patient enough to wait any longer.
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I have an HD-DVD player due to the sub $200 price of the player. If HD-DVD dies, I'll still have an upscaling player that makes my regular DVDs look fantastic.
(plus, I was dying to see Transformers in HD)
I have an HD-DVD player due to the sub $200 price of the player. If HD-DVD dies, I'll still have an upscaling player that makes my regular DVDs look fantastic.
(plus, I was dying to see Transformers in HD)
Re: The BluRay vs HD war... Any fallout from the Holiday sea
Upscaling is one thing I *don't* need or want. In fact I bought the specific BluRay player I did, exactly for that reason: it *doesn't* upscale. It has a Source Direct option that outputs at the same resolution as whatever is on the disc.
My TV - any HDTV, really - is enough that its upscaling far outclasses anything that a DVD player could possibly do. IMHO, the entire concept of upconverting standard DVDs is a gimmick and a lie, designed to sell more expensive players.
Upscaling is one thing I *don't* need or want. In fact I bought the specific BluRay player I did, exactly for that reason: it *doesn't* upscale. It has a Source Direct option that outputs at the same resolution as whatever is on the disc.
My TV - any HDTV, really - is enough that its upscaling far outclasses anything that a DVD player could possibly do. IMHO, the entire concept of upconverting standard DVDs is a gimmick and a lie, designed to sell more expensive players.
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^ Downloads are another thing I don't want. I like having the actual disc as backup for what I'm watching (plus I am not exactly excited about the DRM). Besides, there's nowhere near the bandwidth required for HD yet.
^ Downloads are another thing I don't want. I like having the actual disc as backup for what I'm watching (plus I am not exactly excited about the DRM). Besides, there's nowhere near the bandwidth required for HD yet.
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I dunno about that. On my TV (46" 1080p Samsung LCD) the upscaled (1080i) standard DVDs look a lot better than they do out of my standard player.
I dunno about that. On my TV (46" 1080p Samsung LCD) the upscaled (1080i) standard DVDs look a lot better than they do out of my standard player.
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Ditto - it depends a tremendous amount on the TV in question and how well it upscales itself, because it will have to if it is an LCD to fill its pixels.
With plasma the resolution is lower and it is not as much of a problem, but I would take standard def progressive over standard def interlaced any day.
Ditto - it depends a tremendous amount on the TV in question and how well it upscales itself, because it will have to if it is an LCD to fill its pixels.
With plasma the resolution is lower and it is not as much of a problem, but I would take standard def progressive over standard def interlaced any day.
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Generally Plasma HDTVs generally only go up to 720P while LCD and DLP HDTVs will do 1080P (Panasonic is making a few MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE Plasma models that will do 1080P - but you could buy two or three similar LCD HDTVS for what those Plasmas cost).
Generally Plasma HDTVs generally only go up to 720P while LCD and DLP HDTVs will do 1080P (Panasonic is making a few MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE Plasma models that will do 1080P - but you could buy two or three similar LCD HDTVS for what those Plasmas cost).
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Additionally, a lot of the cheaper plasma models have a stated pixel resolution of only 1024 x768, and only support as high as 720p through clever engineering.
The pixel resolution is not everything though, and Plasma screens often gain where higher-res LCDs lose.
Additionally, a lot of the cheaper plasma models have a stated pixel resolution of only 1024 x768, and only support as high as 720p through clever engineering.
The pixel resolution is not everything though, and Plasma screens often gain where higher-res LCDs lose.
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My tv doesn't upscale and my SD-DVD looks like hell unless they are upscaled by my Oppo or PS3, both of which do an excellent job.
My tv doesn't upscale and my SD-DVD looks like hell unless they are upscaled by my Oppo or PS3, both of which do an excellent job.
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