The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.."

[Trekker4747]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Well at least DS9 CGI looks a hundred times better than Babylon 5 CGI (or any of the CGI used in television in that time).

A friend of mine was always raving about the CGI that B5 used, I watched it and was un impressed and said it looked like a cartoon. He took umbridge. I showed him one of the armada battles from DS9. His jaw hit the floor and he agreed with me B5 was sub-par.

 

[RAMA]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Well at least DS9 CGI looks a hundred times better than Babylon 5 CGI (or any of the CGI used in television in that time).

A friend of mine was always raving about the CGI that B5 used, I watched it and was un impressed and said it looked like a cartoon. He took umbridge. I showed him one of the armada battles from DS9. His jaw hit the floor and he agreed with me B5 was sub-par.

 

[Dac]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

For a complete bullshit explanation, why don't we just say the saucer engines come on in times of added maneuverability? Like, say in a space battle, or navigating an Asteroid field? How about Geordi didn't like running em "hot" and "wearing them out" when they werent really needed?

As for my favourate Enterprise....I reckon Gabe's version is a great middleground. It keeps the detail of the 4 footer and the shape of the 6 footer, and while It may not have been lit that great in TATV, I've seen it in another couple of iterations, and it looks astounding.

 

[BolianAuthor]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

The blue lights in the back of the saucer is the Arboretum. Having both the Tech Manual and the Blueprints, neither mark this area as being the Saucer's warpdrive. The saucer is warp incapable.

Correct. To the letter. The only thing the Technical Manual and blueprints say about the saucer that most people may not know, is that the saucer section does indeed have a photon torpedo launcher.

 

[Tom Riley]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

The blue lights in the back of the saucer is the Arboretum. Having both the Tech Manual and the Blueprints, neither mark this area as being the Saucer's warpdrive. The saucer is warp incapable.

Correct. To the letter. The only thing the Technical Manual and blueprints say about the saucer that most people may not know, is that the saucer section does indeed have a photon torpedo launcher.

Where's that? I thought it was wicked dumb that they wouldn't have one there...

 

[Dac]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

The blue lights in the back of the saucer is the Arboretum. Having both the Tech Manual and the Blueprints, neither mark this area as being the Saucer's warpdrive. The saucer is warp incapable.

Correct. To the letter. The only thing the Technical Manual and blueprints say about the saucer that most people may not know, is that the saucer section does indeed have a photon torpedo launcher.

Where's that? I thought it was wicked dumb that they wouldn't have one there...

From what I remember, its at the front of the mushroom shaped platform the shuttlebay is a part of and the bridge rests on top of.

 

[EmperorTiberius]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

It's aft-facing.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

The saucer torpedo launcher, IIRC, is in the dorsal interconnect and can only be fired afterwards when the ship is in separated flight mode.

It also does have its own mini deflector "dish", a row four lights just forward of the "captain's yacht" in a little notch.

EDIT:

Page 128 of the Tech. Manual for TNG/Ent-D: 11.3 Photon Torpedoes. There's a graphic (11.3.1) of the ship showing a torpedo tube in the location of the main shuttlebay but it is clearly aft-facing based off the graphics of the other two launchers. Scanning through the text shows no mention of it being there, in fact one of the paragraphs simply only talks about the "two" torpedo launchers and the placement of the various systems only mentioned as being on decks in the stardrive section. It seems the graphic may have been a last-minute addition and the text never altered. But the orientation of it has it facing backwards and it's position looks to be such that it'd only be fireable when the ship is separated.

On the topic of the warp-drive and the saucer:

As the Saucer Module is equipped only with impulse propulsion, computational modeling has verified that special cautions must be observed when attempting separation at high-warp factors. Prior to leaving the protection of the Battle Section's warp field, the Saucer Module's [Structural Integrity Field -which prevents the ship from collapsing/crushing itself due to its massive size], [Inertial Dampening Field -which prevents the ship, and its occupants, being damaged due to inertia], and shield grid are run at high output, and its four forward deflectors [the lights/"windows" just forward of the captain's yacht] take over to sweep away debris in the absence of the dish in the Battle Section. Decaying warp field energy surrounding the Saucer Module is managed by the driver coil segments of the impulse engines. This energy will take, on average, two minutes to dissipate and bring the the vehicle to its original sub-light velocity.

- Section 2.7: Saucer Module Separation Systems. Page 28, continuation of fourth paragraph of the sub-section "Separation System Operation." - Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual by Rick Sternabach and Michael Okuda. Bracketed text is my own, explaining other systems mentioned in quoted text.

As I said up-thread, and I'm sorry Rama we've drug this way off topic of your TATV screen-caps, the two times the separation system was used during battle the saucer was dropped off in a safe location before the Stardrive/Battle Section was taken into the battle/dangerous situation. In "Encounter at Farpoint" the SD-Section goes directly to Faproint after the encounter with Q. It's possible that they were close enough to their destination that after the 2-minutes it had of warp-drive (and they were at max-warp when they separated due to fleeing Q) and with full-impulse for several hours the Saucer Section was able to make it to Farpoint in anything less than an eon. (Granted that even traveling at the maximum warp-speed for 2 minutes and then full-impulse (.5c) the separation would've had to of occurred in basically what would've been the Farpoint system's equivalent to the Oort cloud, possibly even closer than that.)

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Of course, it was the development and experience of many folks working on B5 which made Trek's extensive use of CG eventually possible - including DS9.

 

[Destructor]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Of course, it was the development and experience of many folks working on B5 which made Trek's extensive use of CG eventually possible - including DS9.

So B5 didn't just suck, it's suckiness actually crept onto other shows? Interesting.

 

[JoeP]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Of course, it was the development and experience of many folks working on B5 which made Trek's extensive use of CG eventually possible - including DS9.

So B5 didn't just suck, it's suckiness actually crept onto other shows? Interesting.

 

[Praxius]

Re: The beautiful Enterpise E-D CGI model from "These Are the Voyages.

Well at least DS9 CGI looks a hundred times better than Babylon 5 CGI (or any of the CGI used in television in that time).

Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying it was horrible, and during the actual episode and in animation, you'd be hard pressed to even notice what I just pointed out..... but in a screen cap, you can see some hard poly edges on the nacelles.... it's not bad, but it is still noticeable. Like I said, mid/late 90's CGI was still limited by computer power/resources of the time.