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The BBC and Classic Who - Where is it?!

Captaindemotion

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I'm sure that this topic has been discussed before but I don't recollect seeing any such threads. So apologies if I'm going over old ground but hopefully someone can enlighten me.

I've just been wondering for some time now why it is we never see classic (i.e. Pre-Russell T Davies) Doctor Who on BBC channels. Given that Doctor Who is now not only one of their big hits but arguably THE big show on BBC TV of the last few years, inspiring the likes of Torchwood, SJA, Merlin, Robin Hood, Survivors, Primeval, (on ITV) and the likes (have I forgotten any?), you'd think it would be an obvious oldie to drag out of the vaults. Few of the younger viewers will have seen William Hartnell through to Sly McCoy (or Paul McGann for that matter) in the TARDIS. So while the new show is on hiatus and we eagerly await Matt Smith's first full series, why not fill the schedules with some classic DW? For that matter, why hasn't it been aired in the last few years, between the first 4 seasons of the new, er, incarnation?

Is the Beeb embarrassed? Do they think the much-mocked wobbly sets and rubber monsters will put people off the shiny new version? Are they airbrushing the first 8 Doctors out of existence? Certainly, if they are, they're at odds with Davies, Moffatt etc, who have acknowledged the original series and Doctors in the new version.

Even on BBC3 or 4, the DW Confidentials seem to think that the series began in 2005. Okay, we might get the odd look at an old-model Dalek, a pre-Derek Jacobi Master but by and large 'The Doctor's Greatest Adventures!' or whatever seem to commence with Christopher Eccleston.

Has there ever been any official explanation or statement or are we left to read between the lines? But certainly the impression I get is that the old Doctor Who is like an embarrassing relative the Beeb prefers not to invite to its parties.

Thoughts, anyone?
 
I think that's a fair assessment of the situation, it might change during anniversary year in 2013. The other opportunity is the occasion none of us want, when they are in tribute...

Question is will repeats of RTD's tenure be retired when the new series kicks off? It should be - to give Smith a chance.
 
If I recall, the last time classic Who was broadcast on terrestrial TV, they took it off because of the ratings. They showed Spearhead in Space and The Silurians, but the ratings dipped and instead of Ambassadors of Death they skipped ahead a few years and showed Genesis of the Daleks and then took it off. Perhaps they don't have enough faith in the show even with the popularity of new Who to put it back on. Or it could be what Haggis & Tatties suggested.
 
Ambassadors of Death was never lined up to be repeated - (at the time) only part 1 of 7 was in a broadcastable format in colour, they were going to skip Inferno too. Terror Of The Autons did have futher clean up, but dumped for the umteenth repeat of Genesis of the B^$%&Y Daleks. Which didn't help the cause - it gave nothing for the serious fans to look foward to. I think 1 episode 1 week is what killed off the repeats, double bills could made it further. Seven weeks of Silurians too slow these days

BBC4 do take the odd excuse to show some - Verity Lambert tribute, the London Underground... Green Death got a repeat there too. BBC Choice screened Invasion Of The Dinosaurs during the Jurassic Park era!
 
I thought perhaps it might be because they don't want DVD sales to dip, and they showed it sparingly.

Then I remembered that a) I know very little about economics and b) a lot of Old Who was rubbish. Really.

I can't see it making the old 6pm slot on BBC2, held for SF during the 80s and some of the 90s. I can't even remember the last time anything SF related was shown in that slot. No, late night BBC digital (3 or 4) seems more likely.

There was a smorgasborg of it on UKGold (or whatever it was called back then) in 2000. Saturday morning up at 630 for an episode of Blake's 7, then an omnibus of Who straight after.

Looking at the price of Blake box sets and Who stories now, I'm kicking myself for not taping it when I had the chance :rolleyes:
 
I wonder at times if the BBC has a plan for relaunching the past Doctors.

Underground Toys is starting to release classic Doctor Who action figures. Big Finish, obviously, is the keeper of the flame for classic Who.

But BBC Books hasn't published a past Doctor novel since 2005. IDW has been told that, outside of Doctor Who Classics, they cannot use past Doctors. (Which means that The Forgotten or The Time Machination aren't going to be repeated anytime soon.)

I find it curious. They could be waiting for three years hence, but that strikes me as being a bit remote. Curious.
 
There's talk of bring the whole lot back together under one brand/logo The classic DVDs will hopefully have reversable sleeves.

The BBC just can't release a whole range without a rebranding, these things just can't be allowed to all match up!
 
^ Seems crazy if so. Surely new fans would like to know more about the Doctor's past. Sarah Jane Adventures fans might like to see her as a younger woman and see the first two Doctors she travelled with. And after TEOT, people might want to see more stories with the Time Lords and Gallifrey.

As for the dodgy SFX etc, well, people know that the original was made on a shoe-string budget.You don't see classic Star Trek being buried in case it might reflect badly on JJ Abrams' shiny hi-tech version.

I don't really buy the argument about DVDs. I mean, 10 or 15 years ago, it was customary for videos of eg the Star Trek spin-offs to be released before they aired on tv. But now shows regularly air on tv before going for sale on DVD. Your Losts, 24s, Sopranos etc will have been on tv before the boxed sets are released but it doesn't stop them being big sellers. And if the Beeb strategically aired some DW classics on tv, then released others on DVD, it could only complement the whole marketing of each other.
 
^ Seems crazy if so. Surely new fans would like to know more about the Doctor's past. Sarah Jane Adventures fans might like to see her as a younger woman and see the first two Doctors she travelled with. And after TEOT, people might want to see more stories with the Time Lords and Gallifrey.

They're probably more afraid that the cheesiness of the earlier shows will turn new fans off, and don't want any confusion between the two products. NuWho appears to have pushed the BBC into a whole new and unaccustomed level of marketing and licensing concerns.

Star Trek has been far more visible internationally over the last forty years (despite never being too popular in many countries). Even so, the studio's taking some care to upgrade the oldest episodes over the last several years in order to enhance their appeal.
 
I think Dennis is right about brand dilution (things I never thought I'd say) I guess as well there's always the risk that people might be put off the current series by the older one.

I dunno though, you'd have thought after Time Crash it might have been the perfect time to slap a Davison serial at 6pm on BBC2. Heck given that Tennant is such a fanboy he might have jumped at the chance to introduce each episode in a little 2 minute segment at the start.

Meanwhile Only Fools and Horses is repeated to death (and probably beyond) sometimes I don't get the BBC. I never knew why they didn't repeat Blakes 7 either.
 
Meanwhile Only Fools and Horses is repeated to death (and probably beyond) sometimes I don't get the BBC. I never knew why they didn't repeat Blakes 7 either.


Did Terry Nation every write for Only Fools And Horses?
 
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