What exactly rammed the Europa? It didn't appear to be K'tuvma's coffin ship. The ship appeared to have some kind of massive ramming hull similar to the shape of an Arctic ice-breaker.
The Attack on the Europa
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That is what I saw as well. I wonder if he has an entire fleet of them, and it is their strategy to ram other ships while cloaked?
Startrek.com calls it a "Cleave Ship," suggesting that's exactly what it was built for. It seems like a sensible enough use for your only other cloaking device, especially if the "no firing while cloaked" rule is in effect. And it does seem as if it was one-of-a-kind. Odd that it wasn't more durable. Even without the Europa self-destructing, a core breach is a pretty predictable consequence of slicing a starship in half.
About that, the Admiral must have Janeways routine of self-destruct installed. There most certainly was not enough time for the whole 1 1A 2b thing.
I'm sure there's a big red button under the skipper's chair for this stuff. Or then a hotline to Chief Engineer so that she can push the right button down below. Or just hit the delicate kaboom doodad with a spanner. It's just that Kirk was too much of a coward to actually consider suicide, so he always went through the trouble of setting up a timer, either for bluffing or for bailing out first.
Are we seeing the destruction of the Europa in slow motion? Inertia issues would make the ramming look different at slower speeds (such as the one at which the collision transpired on screen), I guess.
A dedicated cloak ram is a wonderful concept, harking back to the earliest days of ironclad warfare when it was decided cannon no longer were viable weapons. Probably as short-lived as the ironclad ram, too. Unless there's a Battle of Lissa that perpetuates the mistaken belief that this wonderful concept in fact is any good in the long run.
Timo Saloniemi
Are we seeing the destruction of the Europa in slow motion? Inertia issues would make the ramming look different at slower speeds (such as the one at which the collision transpired on screen), I guess.
A dedicated cloak ram is a wonderful concept, harking back to the earliest days of ironclad warfare when it was decided cannon no longer were viable weapons. Probably as short-lived as the ironclad ram, too. Unless there's a Battle of Lissa that perpetuates the mistaken belief that this wonderful concept in fact is any good in the long run.
Timo Saloniemi
Just a little flub in Ep.4 but when L'Rell and Voq are talking in the Sarcophagus ship Voq has a holo of what he says is the debris field and all they've salvaged/scanned. One of the ships in that holo is the Europa even though we saw her explode in the battle six months prior. Just figured to point it out.
Is she, though? The battle appeared to feature two different four-nacelled ships: we see one arrive with the fleet to reinforce the Shenzhou initially, and then the Europa arrives much later.
The first one has simple X pylons (closest to the camera in the rear view of the Federation fleet), while the Europa has this Reliant shape but with additional nacelles bolted directly on top of the saucer. Which of these do we see in Voq's "artwork"?
Timo Saloniemi
The first one has simple X pylons (closest to the camera in the rear view of the Federation fleet), while the Europa has this Reliant shape but with additional nacelles bolted directly on top of the saucer. Which of these do we see in Voq's "artwork"?
Timo Saloniemi
It's the Europa. If you look at the saucer design and the nacelle layout it is the Europa. Probably just a VFX flub but I found it funny.
Visual proof that there are fluctuations in the space-time continuum! The Temporal Cold War continues!
Kor
It'll be the Yeager - the 'x-wing'-lookng class ...
Tyler was captured at the Battle of the Binary Stars when the Yeager was reportedly lost.
