Terror Attack On Paris Satirical Magazine

[Relayer1]

Up to ten dead, at least two heavily armed gunmen on the run.

Edit - 11 dead, 10 wounded of whitch five are critical. It looks as if the gunmen armed with AK47's and an RPG now have a vehicle and re still on the run.

Three French police on bicycles responded but had to retreat, one being wounded.

Update - two police confirmed dead, death toll is eleven.

 

[JES]

That is absolutely terrible. I guess some people just can't stand any satire.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

My thoughts are with the people of France.

 

[hux]

I'm getting bored of hearing about religious people killing because their imaginary friend can't take a joke

Either find a God with a sense of humour or fuck off

Tragic

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm getting bored of hearing about religious people killing because their imaginary friend can't take a joke

Either find a God with a sense of humour or fuck off

It's not forbidden in the Quran, that I'm aware of. It's something Muslims came up with, much later. And there's still disagreement on whether it's even needed - Sunnis don't allow any depiction of Muhammad, but such things are quite common in the Shia branch.

In any case, it's not God's sense of humor that's the problem (as Kevin Smith said, God has a sense of humor - just look at the platypus ). It's not even Muslims' fault, as such. It's the fault of "a few violent assholes with guns". Those are the only people to blame here.

FWIW.

 

[auntiehill]

Slaughtering people because you didn't "like what they said."

That goes beyond evil, and then some.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I'm getting bored of hearing about religious people killing because their imaginary friend can't take a joke

Either find a God with a sense of humour or fuck off

It's not forbidden in the Quran, that I'm aware of. It's something Muslims came up with, much later. And there's still disagreement on whether it's even needed - Sunnis don't allow any depiction of Muhammad, but such things are quite common in the Shia branch.

Well, to be fair, the books of the New Testament weren't written contemporary with the life of Jesus either, and there's some dispute among Christian denominations about which books are authoritative and how they should be interpreted, so that's not unique to Islam. The hadith are still considered sacred and essential supplemental texts by the vast majority of Muslims.

That doesn't ever justify committing violence over violating a precept found in a hadith, of course (and especially not trying to enforce compliance among non-Muslims), but it's not as simple a thing to dismiss as you're implying. They have every right to consider it offensive, they just don't have a right to suppress freedom of speech and the press in other countries and to commit violence if those countries and their press don't comply.

 

[MacLeod]

I'm getting bored of hearing about religious people killing because their imaginary friend can't take a joke

Either find a God with a sense of humour or fuck off

It's not forbidden in the Quran, that I'm aware of. It's something Muslims came up with, much later. And there's still disagreement on whether it's even needed - Sunnis don't allow any depiction of Muhammad, but such things are quite common in the Shia branch.

In any case, it's not God's sense of humor that's the problem (as Kevin Smith said, God has a sense of humor - just look at the platypus ). It's not even Muslims' fault, as such. It's the fault of "a few violent assholes with guns". Those are the only people to blame here.

FWIW.

Whether or not it's forbidden or not is besides the point, sure we should respect other cultures and beliefs but that goes both ways other cultures and beliefs have to respect ours.

Unfortunatly many religions have some extremists who tarnish the many who peacefully practice that religon.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I will just repost here what I said in our other forum which is -


I cannot even begin to understand the mindset of anyone who can be so outraged by a few cartoons that they think that it justifies mass murder. Let's hope that the terrorists, and anyone who aided them, are quickly caught and bought to justice.

 

[RJDiogenes]

This is truly awful. My thoughts are with the people of France. I hope these killers are caught and incarcerated before they do any more damage. I just wish I knew what could be done about these religious psychotics.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

I'm getting bored of hearing about religious people killing because their imaginary friend can't take a joke

Either find a God with a sense of humour or fuck off

It's not forbidden in the Quran, that I'm aware of. It's something Muslims came up with, much later. And there's still disagreement on whether it's even needed - Sunnis don't allow any depiction of Muhammad, but such things are quite common in the Shia branch.

In any case, it's not God's sense of humor that's the problem (as Kevin Smith said, God has a sense of humor - just look at the platypus ). It's not even Muslims' fault, as such. It's the fault of "a few violent assholes with guns". Those are the only people to blame here.

I agree. Extremists who use their religious beliefs to justify anti-social behavior come in all flavors of religion, and the religions themselves are not the primary causes of the behavior. Even so, these particular extremists did a far better job of making Muslims look bad than any cartoon or satire ever could.

 

[hux]

It's the fault of "a few violent assholes with guns". Those are the only people to blame here.

and the religions themselves are not the primary causes of the behavior.

To pretend that their religiosity is incidental to their behavour is disingenuous (when rationalists start flying planes into buildings, i'll consider changing my mind)

To quote a Frenchmen

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities"

 

[Pingfah]

It's the fault of "a few violent assholes with guns". Those are the only people to blame here.

and the religions themselves are not the primary causes of the behavior.

To pretend that their religiosity is incidental to their behavour is disingenuous (when rationalists start flying planes into buildings, i'll consider changing my mind)

What absolute nonsense. There's nothing in Rationalism that excludes acts of terrorism, terrorism can be perfectly rational. And acts of terrorism that have nothing to do with religion are committed all the time.

Also, she did not say their religion is incidental to their actions, she said it wasn't the primary cause, and she is right about that. So nice strawman there.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Violence, hatred, and commiting acts of terrorism are not certainly not the sole possession of the religious.

The heinous acts that took place in Paris cannot be justified and are beyond shameful.

 

[hux]

What absolute nonsense. There's nothing in Rationalism that excludes acts of terrorism, terrorism can be perfectly rational. And acts of terrorism that have nothing to do with religion are committed all the time.

I'm not talking about organised terrorism, i'm talking about individual atrocities. No rational argument can justify them. Only the religious argument

Also, she did not say their religion is incidental to their actions, she said it wasn't the primary cause, and she is right about that. So nice strawman there.

And i disagreed with her, you complete arse cleft

My position being that their religion is the primary cause in their ability to justify and commit atrocities

 

[Pingfah]

I'm not talking about organised terrorism, i'm talking about individual atrocities. No rational argument can justify them. Only the religious argument

Why did you bring up people flying a building if you weren't talking about organised terrorism? 9/11 is the definition of organised terrorism. And you don't think people justify their atrocities for political reasons rather than religious ones? Like other countries' foreign policy for instance?

Also, she did not say their religion is incidental to their actions, she said it wasn't the primary cause, and she is right about that. So nice strawman there.

And i disagreed with her, you complete arse cleft

You disagreed with her by misrepresenting her opinion, and then argued against that opinion as though she had stated it. You could have made your point without calling her disingenuous, when she had not been.

My position being that their religion is the primary cause in their ability to justify and commit atrocities

And you are still doing it, because that isn't what she argues either. She said religion isn't the cause of such behaviour, not that they couldn't internally justify their behaviour with religion.

Blaming religion for extremism is like blaming the car industry for car crashes. Just because one can't exist without the other doesn't mean one causes the other, which I believe is roughly the point she was trying to make, but not the one you've been arguing against.

 

[RevdKathy]

Most Muslims are horrified and disgusted by acts of terrorism, as decent people are. They're also very scared at the inevitable backlash against them when they have done nothing.

here's what a few of them said:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hkesvani/13...t-the-ch-ne8u?utm_term=.neaN12YpJ#.iimD8qk78g

 

[hux]

Why did you bring up people flying a building if you weren't talking about organised terrorism? 9/11 is the definition of organised terrorism. And you don't think people justify their atrocities for political reasons rather than religious ones? Like other countries' foreign policy for instance?

Because i'm not taking about how a terrorist group may attempt to justify their actions......i'm talking about how an individual (possibly within that terrorist group but not exclusively) will justify his personal act of atrocity

Terrorism can be justified a million ways but an individual who commits an act of utter horrendousness must justify it to himself.....there is only one way to do that

Believe in an absurdity that sanctions your behaviour

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Lets face it, people will do all sorts of things for reasons that make little or no sense. Religion isn't doing this, people are. Most Islamic violence is against other Muslims, so it really isn't about religion.

 

[Pingfah]

Why did you bring up people flying a building if you weren't talking about organised terrorism? 9/11 is the definition of organised terrorism. And you don't think people justify their atrocities for political reasons rather than religious ones? Like other countries' foreign policy for instance?

Because i'm not taking about how a terrorist group may attempt to justify their actions......i'm talking about how an individual (possibly within that terrorist group but not exclusively) will justify his personal act of atrocity

Good grief. I know that's what you are arguing, I am questioning why you chose to totally misrepresent her argument to do so.

Terrorism can be justified a million ways but an individual who commits an act of utter horrendousness must justify it to himself.....there is only one way to do that

Believe in an absurdity that sanctions your behaviour

Absolute rubbish. If that were true, nobody would ever commit a non-religious act of terrorism, which we have already seen is most certainly not the case. People internally justify barbarous acts all the time, without needing religion to do so, their own personal gain is plenty for many people.