Janeway doesn't escape his ire about temporal violations in the book, either.
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Janeway doesn't escape his ire about temporal violations in the book, either.
Here's an intriguing premise: someone in the mirror universe travels back in time via a black hole or something and assassinates the founder(s) of the Terran Empire. It would leave our classic mirror universe episodes intact.
^ In what way? 
If you're concerned about the eventual fate of the Empire:
If you're concerned about the eventual fate of the Empire:
It was Spock's doing. He intentionally allowed the Empire to fall so that humans of his universe would know what it was like to be oppressed, and thus never allow it to happen again. So if temporal agents of the MU wanted to save the Empire, they should try to take HIM out.
In any case, as Dark Mirror and Q & A showed, there are versions of the MU where the Empire still exists, so I'm not inclined to shed a lot of tears here...
In any case, as Dark Mirror and Q & A showed, there are versions of the MU where the Empire still exists, so I'm not inclined to shed a lot of tears here...
I know that; I've already read Rise Like Lions. But think if some insane person hated Spock's plan for allowing the sacrifice of so many of their ancestors and wanted to expedite freedom.^ In what way?
If you're concerned about the eventual fate of the Empire:
It was Spock's doing. He intentionally allowed the Empire to fall so that humans of his universe would know what it was like to be oppressed, and thus never allow it to happen again. So if temporal agents of the MU wanted to save the Empire, they should try to take HIM out.
In any case, as Dark Mirror and Q & A showed, there are versions of the MU where the Empire still exists, so I'm not inclined to shed a lot of tears here...
Reminds me of a titbit from one of the DS9 Millennium novels, where someone talks about Klingon war fleets send back through time using the slingshot manoeuvre, with the mission to conquer Earth in the past. They were never heard of again and there was some debate as to whether they were destroyed in transit or if they succeeded - but in doing so created an alternate timeline leaving theirs unaffected. Awesomely, this was written several years before the '09 movie used the premise.
Basically, since her actions in "Endgame" let the Federation knock the Borg out of the picture in the novels in the 2380s, temporal agents from the future tell the "current" DTI that Janeway needs a free pass; if she hadn't meddled, the Borg would've overrun the galaxy in the 25th century, leaving no future for them to come from.
I'm reminded of Dragon Ball Z's androids/Cell arc. In that franchise, every change to the past creates a new future (parallel reality) although for no discernible reason the alternate future Trunks can still travel back and forth from his era in his reality to the past in the main reality via his "time machine".
Y'know, Watching the Clock mentions that in 2368, Lucsly and Dulmur convinced the Klingon High Council to reject a young Korath's request for support for building a battlecruiser engine capable of "reliably" surviving a Tipler slingshot.
The DTI series, though, posits that Tipler slingshotting around a sun (or the Black Star from "Tomorrow is Yesterday") is a travel-back-to-your-own-past maneuver, not a create-your-own-past maneuver. I don't remember if it goes into detail about whether one needs to slingshot around or simply go headfirst into a black hole for creating-your-own-past. I guess it intends the latter since that's what Star Trek 2009 shows onscreen.
For my part I strongly dislike Star Trek 2009's portrayal of black holes (black holes should be spheres in space, not discs in space, and being pulled straight into one should rip a ship apart, not send it through some kind of time wormhole).
Inspired by the discussion in this thread, I finally bought both of Christopher's DTI books and have just finished "Watching the Clock". Time travel mechanics aside (the author freely admits some of the fuzzy areas on his website) it does a very decent job of tying the mishmash of Trek time travel stories together, something I thought would be completely impossible! Now looking forward to starting up the second novel, which I've heard is much more TOS-centric 
^It is indeed, and equally as good as the first! Glad you enjoyed it
^Seconded. Hooray to you for getting the DTI novels!
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