TATV sux!!11!!! vol.47 - the Jonathan Frakes edition
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I - Surak - say why? It is what it is. We can only speculate why one franchise would cross over into another. Maybe there were projects shopped around Hollywood?
Maybe a movie or another series? It has been 5 years and an Abrams movie. My guess is that we will never know.
Maybe a movie or another series? It has been 5 years and an Abrams movie. My guess is that we will never know.
Thanks for bumping the thread, though...
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I was there for that, and his tone and body language really conveyed how grateful he was to Scott Bakula. It was clear that he wasn't into the idea of the show, but he was a real professional about how he expressed it.
Which is high praise for a guy who came on stage singing "Volare."
Here's an aside: as I was coming in on Sunday, I walked past Frakes lugging his suitcase, heading towards the doors.
It wasn't until he was well past me that I thought of the perfect thing to say:
"You know, you're not going to be able to get out. You're going to have to get down to the craps table and win enough to buy the place."
Given that he looked like he was on his way to catch his flight, it's probably a good thing I didn't stop him for that--he probably gets it all the time.
As far as TATV, eh. The cast and crew have made their peace with it, those responsible have shown contrition.
Which is high praise for a guy who came on stage singing "Volare."
Here's an aside: as I was coming in on Sunday, I walked past Frakes lugging his suitcase, heading towards the doors.
It wasn't until he was well past me that I thought of the perfect thing to say:
"You know, you're not going to be able to get out. You're going to have to get down to the craps table and win enough to buy the place."
Given that he looked like he was on his way to catch his flight, it's probably a good thing I didn't stop him for that--he probably gets it all the time.
As far as TATV, eh. The cast and crew have made their peace with it, those responsible have shown contrition.
And yet that didn't stop Frakes from doing it.
Indeed.
It was his chance to play Riker one last time. I don't hold it against him.And yet that didn't stop Frakes from doing it.
I've come to notice that every time an actor gets the chance to play a character for the last time, the end result is usually utter shyte. Rocky Balboa being the only exception.
It was his chance to play Riker one last time. I don't hold it against him.And yet that didn't stop Frakes from doing it.
I sincerely doubt that his motive was "I get to play Riker one last time!" More likely, his motive was "I get a nice fat juicy paycheck for doing a few scenes for a one-off show, since I'm not doing anything else of note in my career." And I'll bet good money that that was certainly the case for Marina Sirtis.
It was his chance to play Riker one last time. I don't hold it against him.And yet that didn't stop Frakes from doing it.
I sincerely doubt that his motive was "I get to play Riker one last time!" More likely, his motive was "I get a nice fat juicy paycheck for doing a few scenes for a one-off show, since I'm not doing anything else of note in my career." And I'll bet good money that that was certainly the case for Marina Sirtis.
Bingo!
If my memory serves me correctly, it's taken him a while to come around to this POV. I guess hearing how much of a Horror Show TATV was from Trek fans for last five years, he had to join the band wagon. While this was good to see, I'm not impressed.
Frakes has always been a good "company" man --- Paramount has been very good to him. I suspect that he agreed to appear on Enterprise and took Berman's word that the episode would be a "valentine" --- it was only once he saw the script that he likely had doubts. Enough time has passed that he now feels comfortable talking about the experience.
I do.
What would you have done in his place? Refuse the gig?
Yeah.
It's not like it would have been unheard of. Nimoy refused to appear in Generations because he didn't like the script.
It's not like it would have been unheard of. Nimoy refused to appear in Generations because he didn't like the script.
See, the thing also is that actors don't take things so personal. It's just work.
Nimoy is no different than Frakes or any other actor. I'm pretty sure he refused to appear in Generations because his paycheck and role wasn't as big as Shatner's.
He claimed he refused to do Generations for the same reasons he appeared in Star Trek 2009 and Fringe: a character that spoke interchangeable lines and could have been played by anyone. The role of Spock Prime could have gone to Picard, too, or some random stranger from the future who fights Nero and knows a bit about history and transwarp beaming.
Nimoy is no different than Frakes or any other actor. I'm pretty sure he refused to appear in Generations because his paycheck and role wasn't as big as Shatner's.
He claimed he refused to do Generations for the same reasons he appeared in Star Trek 2009 and Fringe: a character that spoke interchangeable lines and could have been played by anyone. The role of Spock Prime could have gone to Picard, too, or some random stranger from the future who fights Nero and knows a bit about history and transwarp beaming.
Leonard has excellent taste.
That's not true at all. Spock Prime had the very specific role of telling AU Kirk about their (i.e. Kirk and Spock's) friendship, as well as advising his younger AU self to accept his own emotions as well as logic, a lesson that Spock Prime learned over the years. This is also a way to book-end the character and give him a sort of closure: we saw him slowly accepting his emotions over the course of the movies, from TMP after the meld with V'Ger, to TUC and "Logic is just the beginning of wisdom"; Spock from TNG "Unification" is very different from Spock from TOS, but hasn't fully accepted his Human side, as seen in the conversation with Data. In STXI we saw an even older Spock who has, no doubt, changed some more as a result of an event of huge emotional importance for him - the meld with Picard that allowed him to feel his father's thoughts and feelings for the first time. The Spock we see in STXI is calmer, serene, he has finally come to the point where he is no longer conflicted and is fully accepting of every aspect of his personality.