Sucked into oblivion

[leedstickets]

First time poster - I skimmed through 5 pages of threads to see if this had been talked about... apologies if this is a repeat.

Presuming this film (which was very good, will revitalise a franchise etc...) is canon, and the entire star Trek universe was changed by the return of the Romulan Ship and the death of Daddy Kirk (the timeline change explaining the differences/ improvements in the film)...

...have the events of every episode and movie of Star Trek I've ever watched set after this point actually ceased to exist/ been completely changed?

Could Picard have had hair, could Sisko been a transvestite, could Janeway have had a different hair-do?

Is it possible that the only episodes I watched where the events havent been changed are in the series Enterprise (which I had to watch drunk to get through, so are a bit of a haze)?

I can buy the "this was an alternate reality, and one of an infinite number of permutations of possibility and the film merely covered one of them" argument... and there's a reality in which the events of the subsequent films/ series are valid... In which case the sequel could quite possibly have Kirk suffer a plane crash on an island (that looks a lot like Hawaii), mess around pressing buttons in hatches and see McCoy and Spock be thrown out of the Starfleet for drink driving offences - without affecting the fortunes of Humped Backed Whales (and many other things) in the Universe with which I've become very familiar.

 

[nx1701g]

The way that the film was set up this is an alternate reality. The events of the previous treks still happened, but in an alternate universe. The only series that directly had effect on the new film was, as you said, Enterprise.

 

[miraclefan]

The way that the film was set up this is an alternate reality. The events of the previous treks still happened, but in an alternate universe. The only series that directly had effect on the new film was, as you said, Enterprise.

In the end ENTERPRISE has the last LAUGH!

 

[mynameisgorn]

The only way to fix the timeline is to explode a hydrogen bomb and prevent "the incident" from occurring.

 

[leedstickets]

Whenever we've seen the effects of time travel in Star Trek before (be it kidnapping whales, melting Alice Krige, meeting Sarah Silverman in San Francisco etc.), the final outcome of the event has been accepted as canon....

If we can reconcile the changes as "its an alternative (much more exciting, popular, box office busting) reality"... presumably we could have another (albeit rubbish) sequel where Kirk (in another alternate reality), decides to move from the Starfleet Academy to Police Academy, goes on a mission to Moscow, discovers a Stargate, and wanders round a desert for a few hours sneezing because of allergies - all without making the years of me watching people drinking prune juice, Whoopi Goldberg wearing a small table as a hat, hilarious holodeck malfunctions and people not being able to change the laws of physics null and void?

 

[leedstickets]

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

 

[USS Gettysburg]

The only way to fix the timeline is to explode a hydrogen bomb and prevent "the incident" from occurring.

Anyone else think it is funny that right now JJ has a movie that says you can change time and a TV show that seems to suggest so far that you can't change time?

 

[Capn Flukie]

The only way to fix the timeline is to explode a hydrogen bomb and prevent "the incident" from occurring.

Good one.

 

[Aragorn]

The only way to fix the timeline is to explode a hydrogen bomb and prevent "the incident" from occurring.

Anyone else think it is funny that right now JJ has a movie that says you can change time and a TV show that seems to suggest so far that you can't change time?

Don't forget his other TV show about parallel universes.

 

[Australis]

I'm posting this, which I just put in the main thread because I think it's relevant to this one.

Suggestion for today:

Some here have referred to Old Spock as Spock Prime. So he's from the Prime Universe. Him and Narada were sucked into a universe where the timeline split (as apparently it infinitely does) into what I would like to call for clarity the Secundus Universe.

Our Point Of View is now in the Secundus U. Deal with it.

For all those worried about the spin off series... why won't they happen? They'll just be different. Tuvok? Maybe he'll be there, maybe not. I'm assuming the Picard vineyards are still in France. And the Sisko restaurant in N'Orleans. I'm not worried. My POV is in the Secundus U. See?

Does this preclude more Prime U stories? Not necessarily, but it does raise a bunch of issues. It does make it harder to explain why there are two very different Treks to noobies. It does make it MUCH harder to persuade a studio to invest in Prime U stories. For a starter, why would they? Financially, it's a bad investment, no matter what you personally think. I'd like some more Prime U stories, but I'm not holding my breath.

Mind you, this makes a strong argument for the fan productions - if Paramount isn't going back there, maybe some licensing deal could be reached allowing money to be raised to make them viable.

 

[Phantassm]

The only way to fix the timeline is to explode a hydrogen bomb and prevent "the incident" from occurring.

...Yeah but that might phase you into an alternate reality on Gilligan's Island.

 

[Captain59]

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

There are more of us than you obviously acknowledge, so for the millions of dedicated ENT fans out there, I officially:

LOL!!!

 

[CommanderRaytas]

The way that the film was set up this is an alternate reality. The events of the previous treks still happened, but in an alternate universe. The only series that directly had effect on the new film was, as you said, Enterprise.

In the end ENTERPRISE has the last LAUGH!

And that's what I call poetic justice.

 

[npsf3000]

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

There are more of us than you obviously acknowledge, so for the millions of dedicated ENT fans out there, I officially:

LOL!!!

And I lol failed series... (maybe there wasn't enough 'millions' of you?)

Up with STAR TREK And Beyond!

 

[Tulaberry whine]

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

There are more of us than you obviously acknowledge, so for the millions of dedicated ENT fans out there ...

To the "millions" of Enterprise fans I have a question: where were you when the show was on?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I was in Detroit, as I remember. It was a warm summer afternoon, and we were having chardonnay.

 

[lceb]

The way that the film was set up this is an alternate reality. The events of the previous treks still happened, but in an alternate universe. The only series that directly had effect on the new film was, as you said, Enterprise.

In the end ENTERPRISE has the last LAUGH!

And that's what I call poetic justice.

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

There are more of us than you obviously acknowledge, so for the millions of dedicated ENT fans out there ...

To the "millions" of Enterprise fans I have a question: where were you when the show was on?

A good laugh is good for the health of as many Enterprise fans as we are out there

 

[Captain59]

....And Enterprise may be having the last laugh, but I fear nobody is listening.

There are more of us than you obviously acknowledge, so for the millions of dedicated ENT fans out there ...

To the "millions" of Enterprise fans I have a question: where were you when the show was on?

I was in Newington, CT!