Subtle Digressions?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by feral.cherub, Aug 11, 2018 at 3:46 AM.

  1. feral.cherub

    feral.cherub Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I was wondering how many people have caught subtle Digressions in the series and what they were.

    Unfortunately, I don't recall the season or episode, but it involves Quark at his bar talking to a customer while he's wiping a glass.
    The customer (don't recall who they were, I don't remember seeing a face)said, "Theres something wrong with this place." and Quark replies, "The center cannot hold." which is a line in the poem The Second Coming, by William Butler Yeats. I nearly died laughing because of how he kept a serious, straight face.
    On another occasion, Quark is cleaning a glass and talking to a customer about whatever war was raging at the time. The customer asks, "War. What is it good for?" and Quark says, "Absolutely nothing." from that old song in the 70s by Edwin Starr named War.
    (Of course Quark would be contradicting the Rule of Aquistion that says War is good for business. Then again another rule states Peace is good for business!)

    "War! Huh. Good God y'all.
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing, now listen to me .. etc.-War, Edwin Starr.

    My favorite line from Yeats The Second Coming, "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches off to Bethlehem to be born?" from The Second Coming by William Butler Years.
     
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  2. kkt

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    And Quark doing Bogart from Casablanca in "Profit and Loss"... except where Ilsa couldn't shoot Rick, Natima could and did shoot Quark...
     
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    feral.cherub Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Been forever since I saw that movies. Went right over my head obviously.
     
  4. Armus

    Armus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Don't know if this is a "subtle digression" but when I recently rewatched Broken Link, I noticed that after Odo lost his shapeshifting powers and was left outside the Link, he mimicked Adam's pose from famous renaissance painting depicting God and Adam at Creation. It was quite a clever bit of symbolism.
     
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  5. Mirror Tuvix

    Mirror Tuvix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Behr seems like the type to load his show with Easter egg allusions. There must be a master list somewhere.

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  6. Bad Thoughts

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    Behr liked old movies, WWII, John Ford and, yes, classic Star Trek. Ds9 was far more referential because of him. There are a few I can think of off hand: Sand Pebbles in a few episodes and the use I'll Be Seeing You.
     
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    Mirror Tuvix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    And a rock music aficionado as well. Re: movies, he hired a writer, Weddle, in part because he was a Peckinpah biographer (or at least, that was the basis for the two meeting, I believe.) There must be a Peckinpah reference somewhere in the last two seasons, though one less subtle than The Magnificent Ferengi nod to the Sturges picture.
     
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  8. Tosk

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    Sometimes Moore even cribs Moore. Quark once did a riff on Picard's "This far and no further!" from First Contact.
     
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    feral.cherub Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    All greek to me. Mayhap I'm better off with what I know. Gotta admit, I know far less about the refs anyone made than my own but hey, at least I l learned something new to look for the next time around.
    It all adds up.
    Mathematics include imaginary numbers. Yet are they non-exisistent? Subjective I suppose.

    i got fortune cookie that said, "Only she who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible."
    Who can say? Like {my fingers kept on wanting to type Loke), said, my father in law said, "Anything is possible as long as time exists."

    Look for hints. They are fun in a universe that is dangerous and indifferent.

    If nothing else, I have to salute you for choosing a noble creature like Tosk for your profile.
    God I loved First Contact. So many connotations and implications! It really made me question just what I believe. Like Tosk, I will be on the run until I've satisfied myself with something solid to believe in in based within my own inner structure.

    I am reacing that point of "This far and no further." Maybe it's about damn time. PIcard knew who he was and what he represented and stood his ground. Heroic. Sisko played a little dirtier maybe but still...heroic.

    If you want to be a hero, be careful. You may find yourself drawing unwanted attention. "Character is destiny"
     
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  10. kkt

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    Oh, he was quoting First Contact? I thought he was quoting the Bible, Job 38:11.
     
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    feral.cherub Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Someone's seen The Da Vinci Code! xD

    Maybe he was. Perhaps he was standing up for human evolution. Perhaps the two are intertwined. Perhaps there is no difference aside from our choice.
     
  12. Tosk

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    Bible: You may come this far but no farther. Here your proud waves will stop
    Picard: The line must be drawn here, ...this far, no further!
    Quark: The line has to be drawn here. This far and no further!
     
  13. kkt

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    Picard's is a better match, you're right. Learn something new every day. Quark being familiar with either one seems kind of unlikely...