Subliminal trailer images

[Grup]

First off. Thank you for allowing me to join. I am; and always shall be, a Star Trek fan.

To be perfectly honest I tried joining over at The Official Movie Site (over a week ago) and never received any response. Maybe they're too busy or aren't taking on new members?

I had some insight into the new trailer that I have not seen while glancing thru the different boards.

Has anybody noticed that the "Vette" used in the new trailer is a 1966 (the year TOS aired)? And that the speedometer starts out at "66" mph. It also appears to accelerate up to "79" when the first motion pic came out. I think it hits 79 I'm having a hard time catching the exact speed

Abrams then takes the pristine 'Vette and totally destroys it by running it over the cliff. I don't think this means that he is literally destroying it but he is dramatically changing our views on the original Trek.

What does anybody think?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Hi Grup!
Welcome to the board. Thanks for joining. Let me know if you need any tips.

these are interesting observations. They are pretty itneresting. I find it interesting just the fact that a 'Vette appears at all. It certainly doesn't feel like Trek at all for the first minute or so, and that's JJ's attempt to lure people who are not Trek fans into the world, and he only has the space of a two minute trailer to catch their interest. It's a pretty good approach, but in the end it's my least favorite part of the trailer, mainly because teh cop looks dumb. As for the Vette itself and the speedometer, i'm glad it doesn't linger on 88 mph.

LOL

 

[M'Sharak]

Has anybody noticed that the "Vette" used in the new trailer is a 1966 (the year TOS aired)? And that the speedometer starts out at "66" mph. It also appears to accelerate up to "79" when the first motion pic came out. I think it hits 79 I'm having a hard time catching the exact speed

I hadn't really picked up on the speedo numbers, but you're right in observing that it's at about 66 when we first see it. I don't think it gets quite up to 79 before the shot cuts away, though -- looks closer to 75-76 to me. Not sure about the 'Vette model year, either; I was thinking it was a '65 (which still works, actually, if you consider that "The Cage" was completed in that year) but I've based that conclusion on a cursory investigation, at best, and relied mostly on memory.

Abrams then takes the pristine 'Vette and totally destroys it by running it over the cliff. I don't think this means that he is literally destroying it but he is dramatically changing our views on the original Trek.

I think a few people here have commented on the possibility of the Corvette symbolizing the Original Series as it goes over the cliff, but I suspect that's far from the only conclusion drawn. You'll find that opinions on practically every aspect of what we've seen so far vary pretty dramatically.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Has anybody noticed that the "Vette" used in the new trailer is a 1966 (the year TOS aired)? And that the speedometer starts out at "66" mph. It also appears to accelerate up to "79" when the first motion pic came out. I think it hits 79 I'm having a hard time catching the exact speed

I hadn't really picked up on the speedo numbers, but you're right in observing that it's at about 66 when we first see it. I don't think it gets quite up to 79 before the shot cuts away, though -- looks closer to 75-76 to me. Not sure about the 'Vette model year, either; I was thinking it was a '65 (which still works, actually, if you consider that "The Cage" was completed in that year) but I've based that conclusion on a cursory investigation, at best, and relied mostly on memory.

Abrams then takes the pristine 'Vette and totally destroys it by running it over the cliff. I don't think this means that he is literally destroying it but he is dramatically changing our views on the original Trek.

I think a few people here have commented on the possibility of the Corvette symbolizing the Original Series as it goes over the cliff, but I suspect that's far from the only conclusion drawn. You'll find that opinions on practically every aspect of what we've seen so far vary pretty dramatically.

To be fair, the spinoffs did go off the cliff. But filming four cars and a gas station that look exactly the same but with writing that is either good or absolutely terrible as it got towards the end would have been a bitch to film.

 

[T'Aerwynd]

To be perfectly honest I tried joining over at The Official Movie Site (over a week ago) and never received any response. Maybe they're too busy or aren't taking on new members?

I am also a member at the official movie site. It took them about a week and a half to update my membership. But I think it's worth the wait, this board and that one have some very good discussion about the new movie. (If I were to give advice about message boards, I'd say to avoid The Omega Sector. There are a myriad of reasons, but I'd say tops is that it's a very slow board where the new movie is concerned.)

 

[Grup]

Posted this over on the Official Star Trek board.

It looks like Kirks' affinity for antiques (as mentioned in ST-TMP) could have originated from whoever owned that sweet 'Vette he destroyed. Now, was that his Dad's "Vette or his Uncles? I've read grumblings about the wheeled motorcycle also. Maybe it's a "future" antique. Not a bike we recognize but an antique based on when the movie takes place. ?

 

[Franklin]

For what it's worth, I just ran the trailer, and the car is doing just a tick over 68 when we see the speedometer, and it goes up to just under 75 before the shot of it ends.
Maybe in the movie the shot is longer and it starts at 66 and goes to 79.

 

[Grup]

For what it's worth, I just ran the trailer, and the car is doing just a tick over 68 when we see the speedometer, and it goes up to just under 75 before the shot of it ends.
Maybe in the movie the shot is longer and it starts at 66 and goes to 79.

I don't know.
I can see the speedo at just a tick over 66 as the scene fades in from the previous shot. It is well below the 68 mph marker and more than half way beneath where 67 would be indicated. The angled tip of the speed needle is actually on 66 where I am able to stop the scene with my limited capabilities.

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

Just for reference sakes, the speedo reads like this

60 ----(62)---- (64)---- (66)---- (68)------70
!...........!........... !........... !........... !........... !
______________________^
I see the needle about here

 

[SPCTRE]

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

 

[Franklin]

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

Good catch. You got it a lot earlier than I could. Then again, I'm old and my reflexes are shot.

 

[Grup]

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

How'd you do that Thanks.

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

Good catch. You got it a lot earlier than I could. Then again, I'm old and my reflexes are shot.

What do you consider old?.......I'm 46 That's 322 in dog years

 

[Franklin]

Can we get a super early screen shot of this scene opening 'cause I sure don't know how to do that? Anyone?

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

How'd you do that Thanks.

There ya go, the earliest I could manage using QuickTime.

Good catch. You got it a lot earlier than I could. Then again, I'm old and my reflexes are shot.

What do you consider old?.......I'm 46 That's 322 in dog years

I'm 48. But I lived a hard life.

 

[cooleddie74]

B&B dropped similar subliminal nods to TOS in FIRST CONTACT inside Cochrane's Phoenix cockpit. When first or second stage booster separation occurs and Cochrane reaches to press the controls that jettison the stage, you see lit buttons that say "TOS" and "38" or "3" and "8." By some counts in some books and guides, "Metamorphosis"(the classic Cochrane episode)was the 38th of the original series.

 

[Australis]

Meh.

"Sometimes a Corvette is just a Corvette" - what Sigmund Freud might have said if he dropped in here (though he'd be 152 by now, and that's not dog years).

btw, I'm 50, you whippersnappers! Now get off my lawn!

 

[Bill Morris]

It's not a '65. Look at the grill. It's shown clearly. That was the most noticeable change for '66.

 

[seigezunt]

If you stop the HD version right after the reveal of the Enterprise, you can see this subliminal image:

it's really quick, though.

 

[cooleddie74]

Let's all just be glad its not a Prius.

 

[Patrickivan]

It's not a '65. Look at the grill. It's shown clearly. That was the most noticeable change for '66.

That and the ribbed rocker panels in 66 that replaced the smooth ones from 65. And it can't be a 67 because of the air vents by the doors.

It has to be a 66 because of the noted grills, rocker panels, and vents...

That's assuming this car is completely stock and true to the original production models.

 

[cooleddie74]

For those who whine and complain that a classic, gas-driven car violates continuity, remember that even in FIRST CONTACT and ENTERPRISE there were still wheeled ground vehicles being used on Earth if not as many as before WWIII...and in NEMESIS Picard's Argo shuttle came equipped with that big-ass dune buggy 4 X 4 vehicle armed with that phaser or photon cannon. And NEMESIS is set more than a century after the Kirk-era scenes in the new movie!

 

[Patrickivan]

For those who whine and complain that a classic, gas-driven car violates continuity, remember that even in FIRST CONTACT and ENTERPRISE there were still wheeled ground vehicles being used on Earth if not as many as before WWIII...and in NEMESIS Picard's Argo shuttle came equipped with that big-ass dune buggy 4 X 4 vehicle armed with that phaser or photon cannon. And NEMESIS is set more than a century after the Kirk-era scenes in the new movie!

And it was one of the dumbest scenes in Star Trek next to Spock walking around without a brain.

There's nothing inherently wrong with someone having a vintage car or replica of one in Star Trek. And there's nothing to say that the engine used in this car isn't 100% eco friendly and just sounds like an internal combustion engine... They could so easily have a car that looks and sounds like a car from today, except that the fuel is completely friendly.

It's just that when some of us look at the future in Star Trek, we don't want to see today's technology. I wouldn't for one second argue that it violates any sort of rule from Star Trek by having this scene, I just think it's kind of silly. Of course I find it equally silly that there's some kind of techno-cyber-punkish-anime-robo like cop on a silly hover bike... I just personally would never have envisioned a cop in ST to look like that.

As for the thread starting post about how the vette is symbolic of what we know about Trek being totally altered, I can see that. Again, I don't have a problem with it, but we'll just have to wait to see how wrecked that vette is when the movie comes out. It just may be more symbolic then we want for the future of Star Trek.