Starship versus Star Ship
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Quote: "starship Archon that disappeared here a hundred years ago"
Starships one hundred years old are most probably different designs, maybe even older than the Class J starship design, maybe its the Class I or even older Class H design.
I envision when the starship class is up for a redesign, they retire the old design and quickly build up the new design starships over a few years. After 20 years (like suggested for age of the Enterprise during TOS by some), all the old class starships are long retired (except one used for Cadet training) and only the newest Class K design starships (like the Enterprise and her 11 or 12 sister ships) are in active service. Just wait 21 years after TOS and they will be retiring all the modified/refitted Class K starships like the Enterprise-A in favor of the new Class L starships like the Excelsior and a few years later, the Enterprise-B. 
Starships one hundred years old are most probably different designs, maybe even older than the Class J starship design, maybe its the Class I or even older Class H design.
I envision when the starship class is up for a redesign, they retire the old design and quickly build up the new design starships over a few years. After 20 years (like suggested for age of the Enterprise during TOS by some), all the old class starships are long retired (except one used for Cadet training) and only the newest Class K design starships (like the Enterprise and her 11 or 12 sister ships) are in active service. Just wait 21 years after TOS and they will be retiring all the modified/refitted Class K starships like the Enterprise-A in favor of the new Class L starships like the Excelsior and a few years later, the Enterprise-B. 
Aside from a joke reference about testicles, show me a (natural) berry that is blue that isn't a blueberry...
Nightshade berries are blue to black, and some boxwoods have blue berries.
It's a gag from a Taxi episode.Aside from a joke reference about testicles
A grape?Aside from a joke reference about testicles
It would hard to argue that many of the grapes you get in a "Concord grape" google image search aren't in fact blue...
I would agree with that, but there's so much variability there, and I agree tha grapes can tend to blue. Color cast from the camera sensor or the film itself (Ektachrome tends to blue, but Fujichrome tends to green) and the color calibration (or lack thereof) of the monitor and/or scanner would be the two biggest.
The color of grapes has become a very "fandom debate", BTW
Not a debate I will be pursuing. Besides, you're talking to a person who lived through a decade subjected to the USN's definition of "Navy blue."
It's been blown out the window by ENT and DIS, but I liked to think (back in the day) that during TOS, "starship" referred to a specific type of Starfleet vessel, separate from cruisers, scouts, etc. By the time of TNG, though, I had rationalized the term had become far more generic within the fleet. These days, however, I guess it doesn't matter...
It's been blown out the window by ENT and DIS, but I liked to think (back in the day) that during TOS, "starship" referred to a specific type of Starfleet vessel, separate from cruisers, scouts, etc. By the time of TNG, though, I had rationalized the term had become far more generic within the fleet. These days, however, I guess it doesn't matter...
I have not had time to read the whole thread yet, but I think I see some agreement here.
In the dictionary, a "starship" is simply a ship that can got to the stars (presumably faster than light). TOS often still calls these "spaceships," so in TOS it seems "starships" are vessels that are part of Starfleet. I did not think that the two word spelling was so uncommon as it seems, and as such I understood "Star Ship" to refer to vessels in Starfleet with that important, special role that we often find hard to exactly define, but which is often discussed on the show.
I would hold that it is the other way around, that "star ship" is any ship that can go to the stars (and Starbase 11 is working on a bunch of those) and "starship" is the special Starfleet kind (mostly because that is the way it appears on the TOS dedication plaque.)
This thread reminds me of the conversation I had with Steve Cole, owner of Amarillo Design Bureau and creator of Star Fleet Battles after I sent a draft of a fiction story. I used "Starfleet" (one word) and was told for future reference that ADB (per legal agreements with CBS) is required to use "Star Fleet" (two words, both capitalized).
In the usage of the show, in a way, it would be good if you were right. The thing is that "starship" already exists in the English language as being a ship that can go to the stars, so I feel like that kind of locks us in to saying that "starship" is the generic word and "Star Ship" is a specific ship of Starfleet. The trouble with what I just have been saying is that "battleship" is only word...
That is interesting given that the show spelled it "Star Fleet" at times. That spelling difference would not seem to be enough for a casual viewer to know the difference, albeit we who use this site would...
