Starship Enterprise from TMP rebuilt on Earth or at Mars ?l

[Trekmaster555]

Would the refit of the Enterprise we saw in TMp have been dome primarily at the Mars Spaceyards with the ship only brought to earth for the final stages of Refit and overhaul ?

now that teh Trek universe has been expanded to include the Utopia planitia Spaceyards...

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Yes. Yes. By all means, yes.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It was built on the ground, in the dark, by big sweaty stick-welders.

Big, buff stick-welders.

Wearing goggles and black hoods.

I swoon.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Would the refit of the Enterprise we saw in TMP have been dome primarily at the Mars Spaceyards with the ship only brought to earth for the final stages of Refit and overhaul ?

now that the Trek universe has been expanded to include the Utopia Planitia Space yards...

It's not stated on-screen, but in Roddenberry's novelization, I recall him talking about some of the work being done Earthside, but the majority being done in orbit.

In some of the later novels (the "Lost Years" novels, I recall) made specific reference to, for example, the lifting of the restored saucer from the planetside San Francisco Navy Yards into orbit. That's not "canon" but it still makes sense, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CaptainJon]

I've noticed that there have been some who have criticized the trailer for having the Enterprise built on Earth, at the very least in sections. But if you look back at what has been stated in interviews with the writers and producers, not only are they fans of the series, but they're also fans of the novels. So it's only natural that they will incorporate ideas from the novels, such as the above-stated "Lost Years" novels (if that reference is correct).

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

It was built on the ground, in the dark, by big sweaty stick-welders.

Big, buff stick-welders.

Wearing goggles and black hoods.

I swoon.

Would you like a minute to recover?

 

[Nowhere Man]

for those who opose welders I recently saw a TOS ep. where there was welding going on , not to mention the welders on DS9

 

[Therin of Andor]

the above-stated "Lost Years" novels (if that reference is correct).

"The Lost Years" saga, Book 2: "A Flag Full of Stars" by Brad Ferguson.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I would imagine since TMP ENT was arefit it probably could have been done in orbit, what planet, who knows, but more than likely earth

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I would imagine since TMP ENT was arefit it probably could have been done in orbit, what planet, who knows, but more than likely earth

Well, I have my own personal opinion of why things were done as they were in TOS, in TMP, and later.

The "Starbase One" or "Spacedock" facility in orbit over earth was clearly a pressurized facility (you can't see the beams of spotlights unless there's an atmosphere). We can clearly see the lights in ST-III when the Enterprise pulls in, so it's clear that there's an atmosphere in there.

There is some work which just plain requires an atmosphere... and other work which is far easier to do in an atmosphere. Welding, just for example, or painting for another. Generally, it's easier to do the work in an atmosphere.

So, prior to the construction of Starbase One's big Spacedock bay, all of this sort of work had to be done planetside. With the construction of this facility, though, it became more practical to do the majority of work in orbit.

That's how I see it, anyway. I mean, think about it... what other possible purpose would there be to have that big Spacedock facility??? Why would you fly INSIDE of it unless the environment inside was different than it was outside? And why would you need that different environment except for doing work that is easier to do in that different environment?

 

[Trekmaster555]

Admiral Kirk would have had an excuse to take an afternoon off every now and then to fly out to the Mars Spacedocks to see his beloved Starship Enterprise ( the only true Enterprise) in Orbital drydock while it uis being rebuilt.
Commercial space traffic would carry too many vistors to earth and be able to oberve the Enterprise being rebuilt in Earth Orbit . A security risk.

 

[Kirkunit]

The "Starbase One" or "Spacedock" facility in orbit over earth was clearly a pressurized facility (you can't see the beams of spotlights unless there's an atmosphere). We can clearly see the lights in ST-III when the Enterprise pulls in, so it's clear that there's an atmosphere in there.

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that observation. By that logic, the entire Universe must have an atmosphere, since we can hear (and see) Phasers firing from starships. I think the only reason we see those spotlights is they help give the miniatures a sense of scale. I know you're a smart guy & have probably put more thought into this than the art directors at the time, but I wouldn't read too much into "artistic license."

If you want to get nitpicky about TSFS, how come when Kirk & crew sneak aboard the Enterprise, the first thing they do is turn on the spotlight on the ship's registry? (I know, it's dramatic & it looks like someone is flicking on the lights to the bridge, but still...)

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Admiral Kirk would have had an excuse to take an afternoon off every now and then to fly out to the Mars Spacedocks to see his beloved Starship Enterprise ( the only true Enterprise) in Orbital drydock...

Nah, there have been six or seven, at least starting with NX-01 and running on through the "E-E."

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Admiral Kirk would have had an excuse to take an afternoon off every now and then to fly out to the Mars Spacedocks to see his beloved Starship Enterprise ( the only true Enterprise) in Orbital drydock...

Nah, there have been six or seven, at least starting with NX-01 and running on through the "E-E."

I may have to go with Trekmaster555 on this one.

Never thought I'd hear myself say that.

 

[22 Stars]

The "Starbase One" or "Spacedock" facility in orbit over earth was clearly a pressurized facility (you can't see the beams of spotlights unless there's an atmosphere). We can clearly see the lights in ST-III when the Enterprise pulls in, so it's clear that there's an atmosphere in there.

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that observation. By that logic, the entire Universe must have an atmosphere, since we can hear (and see) Phasers firing from starships. I think the only reason we see those spotlights is they help give the miniatures a sense of scale. I know you're a smart guy & have probably put more thought into this than the art directors at the time, but I wouldn't read too much into "artistic license."

If you want to get nitpicky about TSFS, how come when Kirk & crew sneak aboard the Enterprise, the first thing they do is turn on the spotlight on the ship's registry? (I know, it's dramatic & it looks like someone is flicking on the lights to the bridge, but still...)

I agree 100% Kirkunit. Not once did I ever conjecture that there is an atmosphere inside the Starbase, nor are we ever led to believe there is one. People aren't flying around in convirtibles, they are in shuttle craft of various design. And in TNG we see a sealed gangway or whatever it's called leading to the D.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that observation. By that logic, the entire Universe must have an atmosphere, since we can hear (and see) Phasers firing from starships. I think the only reason we see those spotlights is they help give the miniatures a sense of scale. I know you're a smart guy & have probably put more thought into this than the art directors at the time, but I wouldn't read too much into "artistic license."

If you want to get nitpicky about TSFS, how come when Kirk & crew sneak aboard the Enterprise, the first thing they do is turn on the spotlight on the ship's registry? (I know, it's dramatic & it looks like someone is flicking on the lights to the bridge, but still...)

I agree 100% Kirkunit. Not once did I ever conjecture that there is an atmosphere inside the Starbase, nor are we ever led to believe there is one. People aren't flying around in convirtibles, they are in shuttle craft of various design. And in TNG we see a sealed gangway or whatever it's called leading to the D.

Okay, then... can you give a reasonable explanation for why they'd be "pulling inside" of a big enclosed space with a heavy-duty door system?

Any logical argument whatsoever? I mean, besides the "it looked cool on-screen" argument... which may be true but is utterly pointless, unless you assume that Starfleet designs things not so that they do the job they're supposed to do but instead so that they're "kewl looking."

Honestly, I can't imagine ANY reason to have a big enclosed environment like that... unless it's different than the environment OUTSIDE would be.

If you only need privacy... why the heavy doors and so forth? Why not just put a thin panel "shade" around your docks?

I'd love to hear any reasonable alternative reasons.

 

[Captain59]

If the area within Starbase One that contained the ships was pressurized, then each times the doors opened, the area would have to be depressurized, and then pressurized again. We never hear this happening. Even with all of Scotty's tricks, I don't think he could have depressurized that area of space in the one minute it took the Enterprise to get from where it was stationary to the doors. I would think it would take a much longer time than that.

Perhaps one of the reasons for such a vast area was protection.

 

[Jon1701]

Could have just had a forcefield. Just because there wasn't a special effect, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also, don't forget we can hear "Danger...Space doors are closed...." inside the dock.

No atmosphere, no sound.

 

[Captain59]

Maybe what we heard was it being piped into the observation deck and the Enterprise herself.

 

[Jon1701]

The audio mix of that scene suggests otherwise.

Lets have a quick look. God bless you, Youtube. About 3:01 in.

There is a distinct difference between the sound piped through the Enterprise, and the sound in the dock.