Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. Ray Hardgrit

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    No one wants to come and see lifeless spaceships, they want to see them all lit up.
     
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  2. Nerys Myk

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    Rule of cool
     
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  3. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    How tall was Leonard Nimoy? How much does Ethan Peck weigh?

    Now, how tall is Spock and how much does he weigh?
     
  4. Racefuel

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    LM was 6' and about 165lbs nominally
    EP is 6'1 about 172lbs

    Pretty close.
     
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    I've suggested that that is a possibility the SNW producers could use many times. I still like the idea -- a nice tip of the hat to TOS as SNW finishes up.

    At this point, I think it's pretty clear that both the SNW version of the Enterprise and the TOS version are part of Prime Universe continuity.

    Starfleet doesn't have problems with the kind of resource scarcity that would make such refits prohibitive in real life; I'm okay with that possibility. I'm also okay with ignoring retconning the "Cage" Enterprise as looking like the SNW version in official Star Trek continuity as long as the original version of "The Cage" remains available for viewing/purchase by fans.

    The producers have been very clear that Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Lower Decks, Star Trek: Prodigy, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds all take place in the same continuity as Star Trek: The Original Series et al.

    It might. It might not. We'll find out!

    Insofar as there was anything to "solve," sure. It just makes it 100% clear that the ship looks different in TOS and SNW because there was a refit between the two.

    That scale was never canonically established. It was "fanon," not canon. I'm fine with scaling the Enterprise up a bit.

    Nope. That's a question of authorial intent, not your subjective interpretation. SNW is a prequel, not a reboot. You don't get to designate it a reboot unless you buy Star Trek from Paramount.

    Interesting! So that size never worked anyway and there's no reason to hold onto it except fanon assumptions.
     
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  6. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I wonder why the Enterprise-F is already due to be retired. And they lost the original Titan as well.

    Starfleet's being rather wasteful with its ships, innit? Used to last decades. Now they're being tossed aside like beer bottles. :sigh:

    Put another way, Starfleet used to treat its ships like European sports stadiums...now it's American ones. :lol:
     
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    People don't mourn in the future. They serve a function, technology develop and improvements are made. With nearly infinite resources why does it matter?
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Like hell they don't.

    Those so-called "infinite" resources should make ships last LONGER, not shorter. Why throw away a ship if it can be repaired and refitted? Waste is waste, regardless of all this "post-scarcity" crap.

    Hell, I'm surprised Voyager's only up to the J by the time DSC comes around. (IIRC, as of PIC they are already on the B.) At the rate Starfleet's going, they should have run out of letters a long fucking time ago. God only knows what Enterprise they're on. :lol:
     
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    The refit of the Titan-A is explained as the result of resource scarcity following the 2385 destruction of Utopia Planitia. Starfleet lacks the resources to produce certain parts.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Not necessarily. If technological innovations continuously are moving along, especially with new member worlds added, then eventually it becomes easier to build up the new ship from the ground up to integrate those technologies.
    Hopefully none.
     
  11. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Another salient point. In the wake of a disaster like that, Starfleet really can't afford to be so cavalier with throwing away ships that are old.
     
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    It matters because people still get emotionally attached. Kirk's true love was his ship. During the shows and movies he was attached to his vessel. It was his home. If ships only last 10 years it is a waste. When Kirk got the enterprise it was already 20 years old.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Sounds unhealthy.

    People are not supposed to mourn in the future.
     
  14. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I seem to remember the Galaxy-class ships WERE in fact built to last decades, and were designed to be out of contact with Starfleet for years at a time.

    But that was when Starfleet actually gave a shit about building things to last.

    Oh, enough with the wussy-ass early TNG crap. As long as there are people, there will be mourning.
     
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  15. fireproof78

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    How very unevolved.
     
  16. Mr. Laser Beam

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    GOOD!

    To hell with "evolution." :rolleyes:
     
  17. fireproof78

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    I work within the parameters given by the show :)
     
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  18. Tuskin38

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    Based on the plot line of this season, I'm not starting to think that's not true. Terry also said not to worry when that audio log first came out.

    Was that stated in any episode?
     
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  19. Racefuel

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    According to the TNG Technical Manual that is exactly what they were supposed to be..essentially "5 year mission" ships without a need to see a Starbase or Outpost at all, which is why there could be families, kids on board, etc.

    There were also only supposed to be six Galaxy class ships, with six more in incomplete storage.

    We see by the time of the Dominion War that intentional scarcity is effectively done away with.
     
  20. Racefuel

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    Nope, it was in the TNG Manual, which as we know was never "hard canon".