Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Jan 9, 2020.
Which makes Voyager's journey to the Delta Quadrant seem like a field trip.
Yes it’s one of Eaves early concept pieces.
You really hate the TOS Connie.
I'm curious if the Ibn Majid might have been a variant/subclass of the Lancelot line. There are some differences in the profile, most notably the pointy bit at the rear of the Majid, vs the flat rear of the Lancelots, but they are close. At least, insofar as they are both Eaves designs.
Well, the ibn Majid is a Curiosity class starship, based on the USS Emmett Till IIRC. And the Lancelot class is from the TMP era, if you can believe that.
I can absolutely believe it's from the TNG motion picture era.
Ah - I wasn't aware of the Ibn Majid being part of the Curiosity-class. Yep, I see it now. Fits perfectly.
Yeah I see what you mean. In retrospect, and looking at the dates involved, the Lancelot-class definitely seems to be a tad-bit anachronistic.
And by a "tad-bit", I mean a lot.
The Oberth as we recognize it is from the TOS Movie Era and it really looks almost nothing like other starships from the first six movies. It's as radically different in many respects from the Enterprise, Reliant, Excelsior and Hathaway as the DSC starships designs are from the TOS Enterprise.
True, and its 3-digit registry suggests it may be older than all the Connies, including the Constellation, despite its refit-era bridge module.
[Homer]Mmmmm... pink chairs...[/Homer]
The difference being that the Oberth doesn’t look like a sister ship to the Sovereign that was produced a century later.
The Oberth and Excelsior pretty much saved us from every ship in Star Trek being a variation of whatever the current Enterprise looked like, but they still looked like they belonged to that era of Starfleet. Everything about the USS Grissom's design feels like it's from the late 70s or early 80s to me.
The Lancelot class looks like it was designed by John Eaves in 1996 for Star Trek: First Contact.
Yeah, the DSC aesthetic was problematic from the get-go and just did not fit into the era of "The Cage(TOS)." Uhura's ship is definitely more of a 24th century aesthetic.
He originally designed it in 2005 or 2006, for the original Star Trek Online that was never finished, it was set sometime after Nemesis, I don't recall if there was ever an exact date attached.
I doubt he chose to have it be a late 23rd Century ship in Picard, but who knows.
Blame Bryan Fuller for that. He didn't want TOS looking designs for some reason.
Eaves can do TOS looking designs if he's asked to. The TOS-ish shuttles that the USS Kelvin carried in ST09 were designed by Eaves. It's all about what the higher ups want.
I never really had a problem with the Disco designs - they look a reasonable step between the older Connies and the later movie-era Miranda/Constellation.
Remember the Enterprise is an old ship when TOS starts, and she appears in Disco with her 22nd Century-style cylindrical nacelles.
The nacelle evolution goes cylinders (Phoenix, NX-01, 1701), rectangular tapered (Disco), art deco (TMP/Excelsior), TNG etc.
Yeah, the Enterprise is 11 years old when Discovery Starts, and 20 years old when Kirk takes command.
This is what I've been saying since the Discovery started, heh.
Thomas has been doing a lore thread on the STO ships featured in Picard
I'm afraid that I've grown fond of them over time. I ended up with quite a few main adversary ships from Tng like the D'deridex and Ferengi Marauder when I'm mainly only interested in canon(ish) Starfleet ships, but when I ended up with a Borg Sphere and was underwhelmed I decided to cut my losses and cancel the expensive subscription. I was afraid I'd end up with a ton of ships from Enterprise, which I did not watch. I was actually lucky with the batch I got because they were all ships I knew quite well, if not was crazy about.
Maybe a year later I watched ENT and it was delightful, and now I wish I had some of those ships lol.
The Plaque for the Reliant says she entered service in 2264, a year before Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
TOS Era Miranda's confirmed
The Reliant's registry number does show up on a chart in TOS Season 1.
It's probably just a coincidence, I doubt whoever numbered the Reliant in WoK even knew about that chart.
I’m not sure. To me it feels like someone is using Memory Alpha as a source. Which is fine. Except when MA is wrong.
Actually, based on the DSC ships’ registry numbers, they’re all actually older than the Constitution class. If one takes those numbers to be chronological evidence of starship production.
Yeah, that's a nice detail.
It's only six years before the TMP refit started, so there's every reason to believe that what we now think of as the movie-era look co-existed with TOS.
It makes total sense, and I like the view of the fleet in a continual state of evolution as new ships come in and old ones are retired. Nice to know the Miranda-class lasted from NCC-1701 until NCC-1701-E!
Finally! My fan art that I made at 15 was confirmed!
Sulu commanded the Excelsior for 30 years??? What's with these Starfleet captains who refuse to move on?
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