Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. Ray Hardgrit

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    That is a very good link full of many many spaceships. The Reliant class is so tiny!
     
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  2. Tomalak

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    Size chart!

    I love that these ships are in scale with the canon designs. The Stargazer is not much longer than Picard's.

    Only slight hiccup for me is the registry numbers for the Excelsior II class ships, which are in the NCC-42000 range, i.e. concurrent with some of the standard Excelsiors we saw in TNG. Not that it's a problem really. I love the design.

    Interesting there is a Sovereign USS Venture NCC-75306. That must mean the Galaxy-class ship (NCC-71854) was destroyed shortly after we saw her in Way of the Warrior. Those Galaxies eh? Might explain why the Ross-class came out shortly after.

    https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1500771118726070279?t=4w91e5KV-X1X5KBBn30-cA&s=19
     
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  3. Tuskin38

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    I think that’s same number Eaglemoss has, and they usually get their’s from CBS.


    It isn’t. It’s not even the Nemesis refit, it’s missing the rear saucer Torpedo launcher
     
  4. F. King Daniel

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    The Borg ship is based on a Doomsday Machine??? Click.

    Erm so was the Charon in Discovery season 1.
     
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    So I guess the new registry style is to ignore adding a letter Suffix to the original designation and add a numerical digit in front of the original suffix? Is that why they are intentionally avoiding calling the current Excelsior and Stargazer with "A's"?
     
  7. Spike730

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    A letter suffix was only added in special cases (until DSC went overboard with it). The Enterprise deserved it, the Stargazer not. Same case for the Defiant. The Constitution class NCC-1764 disappeared before doing anything remarkable, so the next Defiant got NX-74205.

    I'd rather treat the original registry being part of the new registry as an easter egg than some new numbering convention.
     
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    When was that the case? I had always assumed they would continue the name of the ship regardless and just add the suffix after the registration? Was there some canonical explanation, or is this an assumed theory?
     
  9. Markonian

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    Taking all canon sources into account, we know that individual ships can have more than one registry number.
    Think how your dual-SIM phone has multiple IMEI's.
    Depending on whoever's in charge of the Starfleet registry department that year, an individual ship might cycle back and forth between using letter suffixes.

    It does not have to be strictly sequential.
     
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  10. Spike730

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    There are dozens of ships with the same name but different registries.
     
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    The type 14 shuttle is very similar to the type 11

    Did the Hutchinson get its name after Hutch talked too much to whoever decides names? :guffaw:
     
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  12. ExtremeSail

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    Yeah the NCC-1701 was a very unique case of honouring that iteration of the Starship Enterprise NCC-1701. Of course names are reused but I'd never expect Starfleet to reuse registries like they did for the Enterprise. But I love the new registry system with Stargazer, what an awesome way to subtly (sort of?) indicate lineage
     
  13. Tuskin38

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    There have been 3 Intrepids, 2 Excelsiors (not counting the one in PIC), 3 Saratogas, 2 Prometheus, 2 Defiants all with different registry numbers and no letter.

    During the run of TNG and DS9, there was a writers room rule that only the Enterprise was allowed a letter. One accidentally slipped through in TNG Season 2, the Yamato-E. but it was later retconned

    Production Designer Dave Blass on Picard is the one who said no to not using any letters on this show, as he feels only the Enterprise has earned that honour.
     
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  14. Ray Hardgrit

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    It seems like the letter suffix is unique to Enterprises and keeping the last four digits the same is unique to the Stargazer. The new Excelsior is NCC-42037 when the old one was NCC-2000, the new Venture is NCC-75306 when the old one was NCC-71854 etc.
     
  15. Spike730

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    Well, the overall look is that of an Excelsior-class. Only the nacelles look more modern but they could be part of a later refit.
    It does deviate enough from an Excelsior to deserve its own class name, though. Personally, I'd have preferred classic Excelsiors or Ambassadors. The new design makes an elegant one look rather plump and there was really no need for it with the Obena-class around.
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    They kept the registry numbers for the STO ships the same, and in that range for new ships of the classes, so they’re like 10k higher than the Stargazer

    The inquiry classes also have higher numbers than the Stargazer.

    It’s almost as if registry numbers are bullshit and shouldn’t really be used as a measurement of anything.
     
  17. Vale

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    I am very much a fan.
     
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  18. Tomalak

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    Yeah, it’s not a major problem as the Excelsior already had the Enterprise-B/Lakota subtype. It could be that this is simply another subtype dating to the mid-24th century. It might be something like the classic design was still being built at Utopia Planitia, and this variant comes from the Antares shipyards.

    This new ship is similar enough that it’s not stretching credulity that it’s the same class - it’s arguably closer than the numerous Constitution refits.
     
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    At first look they're very similar but the new saucer is oval, the neck has been stretched and the pylons are different, so it reminds me of a TMP Enterprise-level refit.
     
  20. Dukhat

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    Well, between the end of Nemesis (2379) and the start of Picard (2399), there is a 20 year span of time where we have no idea when any of these ships were built. I can see the Inquiry class being produced after the Sagan class, hence their higher numbers. And the Excelsior II class could have been built even before TNG, we just might not have seen any on screen; we just saw the older ones. I’m not a huge fan of the 420XX registries for the Excelsior II (since the Centaur’s registry is in that block as well), but there you go.

    And it’s interesting that the Grissom and the Hikaru Sulu were mentioned on screen but are not on this huge list of ship names.

    And I still think CBS/Eaglemoss/etc. is wrong about the length of the Inquiry class. I think it should be much shorter.

    Also, I wish they had used the Andromeda class rather than the Ross class. It would have complemented the Sutherland class much better, and not have used a ship design that looks almost like a Galaxy class for no real good reason.
     
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