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StarKiller {SPOILER}

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Starkiller base - the super weapon - was the thing I was somehow most worried about before seeing this film,and it was the thing I still didn't like when it was over. To be that powerful, I like how it used the energy from the sun to get that energy. What confounded me though is that it would seemingly absorb all that energy from the sun, and everything looks dark and..

wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.


Aside from that, I didn't like Starkiller base for another reason: The Death Star was perfect. Certainly, with how cool the SW galaxy was even when it was created in the 70's, a superweapon wasn't the coolest thing about tat galaxy. Just having Empire vs Rebels was a good enough story on it's own, and as ESB proved, as long as the characters were affected by the story, no super weapons were needed, and that would be that. Just watch ANH's opening shot.. small rebel ship being overtaken by the iconic STar Destroyer.

Yet, ANH was bolder than that.. it needed more than just a good underdog story about a bunch of rebels fighting the good fight. The movie opens with the bold words "Star Wars and a bold yellow drawl text. People had never seen this before. In that crawl text a very specific threat was mentioned.. a battle station that could destroy an entire planet. If Star Wars is similar to those pulp magazines and adventure serials, than a base like that fits right in. Just telling us in the opening crawl that there's a conflict between the rebels and the Empire wouldn't be sufficiently bold enough to be worthy of having that bombastic music and those large yellow letters.. so they mention the battle station adn what it can do right in the crawl. For audiences who, at the time, had no idea what they were in for with Star Wars, this automatically set the stakes and gave the audience who wouldn't know anything something to go on. In the film itself, the idea of this battle station was a bold enough threat to pull Obi-Wan out of his hermitage, and to give Han a reason to care, give Leia a reason to risk her own safety, and give Luke, the hero, that good fight and first adventure. The Death Star was the perfect threat.

Also, it doesn't seem overpowered to me. It would seem that destroying a terrestrial planet is a lot like shattering an egg. If your laser drill is powerful enough to cut through less than thirty miles of rock to reach the mantle, the entire rest of the planet would just shatter. Powerful, sure, yet somehow it's grounded.

My point: make something more powerful in the new film didn't make me care that much more
 
wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

Who says it would be instantaneous? What is that based on?

Kor
 
wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

Who says it would be instantaneous? What is that based on?

Kor

It wouldn't be instantaneous. The biggest problem with Starkiller Base is that it sucks all the mass of the sun into its interior. This would make the planet's gravitational field incredible strong -- THAT'S what would kill people instantly.

Also, the planet would no longer be in orbit of anything. Chalk this one up to "dumb plot device".

What I thought was funny, however, was when Starkiller is introduced in the Resistance briefing. "Here's the Death Star... and HERE'S Starkiller base!" It was a total "JJ" size fetish thing, so much so that I felt he was making fun of himself.
 
The biggest problem with Starkiller Base is that it sucks all the mass of the sun into its interior. This would make the planet's gravitational field incredible strong -- THAT'S what would kill people instantly.
Not if the Imperials are using Red Matter to mitigate the gravitational field.

Screw you, Abrams, is what I'm really saying here.
 
I couldn't get my head around it either. Does the base move? If so, how? And if not, where do they get extra suns from?

My own excuse for it would be that it doesn't extinguish the sun, it just drains it "for a while", then does it again when the sun somehow comes back up to full power.

Or a wizard did it.
 
wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

Who says it would be instantaneous? What is that based on?

Kor

I guarantee that if the sun were to go out.. everyone here would freeze instantly
 
I wasn't under the impression that the base was literally draining all the mass and energy from its parent star, just enough for its current nefarious needs. I also assume that the star would glow brighter again shortly after the shot was fired. Did they explicitly say the sun was being totally drained of all its energy and I just missed that?

On the other hand, there was Abram's penchant for having interstellar space be teensy tiny, allowing Vulcan be visible from Delta Vega and allow the destruction of the five Republic planets be visible from Han's little old friend's house.

So, what can ya do?

--Alex
 
You're right... it just seemed a lot more prominent this time.

In that scene in ROTJ, Skywalker's feelings were so strong that it was like he was practically broadcasting them, while with Kylo Ren, it was more like he was reaching into people's minds and pulling their thoughts out.

Kor
 
I wasn't under the impression that the base was literally draining all the mass and energy from its parent star, just enough for its current nefarious needs. I also assume that the star would glow brighter again shortly after the shot was fired.

Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?
 
I wasn't under the impression that the base was literally draining all the mass and energy from its parent star, just enough for its current nefarious needs. I also assume that the star would glow brighter again shortly after the shot was fired.

Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?

It pivots on a uhh... column of magnetic monopoles, powered by... fusion-catalyzed hypermatter.

Boom, nailed it.
 
Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?
Did they even need to aim it? I've only seen it once, but it seemed like they fired one blast which split off after a while and sought out different targets. Not sure how they managed that. :)
 
Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?
Did they even need to aim it? I've only seen it once, but it seemed like they fired one blast which split off after a while and sought out different targets. Not sure how they managed that. :)

And if the target is perpendicular to the line of fire, or in the opposite direction? Or do you have to wait half a day for the planet to rotate? It's just a dumb cool idea.
 
Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?
Did they even need to aim it? I've only seen it once, but it seemed like they fired one blast which split off after a while and sought out different targets. Not sure how they managed that. :)

Multispectral asynchronous beam-splitter in the 12-trillion gigajoule range.
 
Even so, how do you aim a planet? Did they put engines in is to they can pivot it around to fire at targets perpendicular to its equator?
Did they even need to aim it? I've only seen it once, but it seemed like they fired one blast which split off after a while and sought out different targets. Not sure how they managed that. :)

Multispectral asynchronous beam-splitter in the 12-trillion gigajoule range.

Technobabble. Icky.
 
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