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Starfleet Security

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Why were the positions of Tactical Officer and Security Chief always meshed into one job for some poor, busy officer?? I would think that these two important positions would warrant two separate individuals, especially during battle (someone in charge in internal ship security, like during boardings, and someone with their finger on the torpedo buttons)...

anyone agree?
 
For one thing, boardings are rare - and if they happen, the battle is essentially over in any case.

For another, from a workspace perspective, the two functions mesh quite well (there not being much one actively needs to monitor in most situations as far as internal security).
 
I'd question the "always" part, really. Kirk's ship in TOS never seemed to combine the jobs, and even when the TMP bridge set seemingly gave both jobs to Chekov's console, it still remained possible for Sulu to fire the guns from the helm console in TOS fashion.

The two job titles were explicitly combined in the persons of Worf and Tuvok. But Tuvok was a casualty replacement - he need not have originally been the Chief of Tactical, only the Chief of Security like Janeway refers to him before the Caretaker incident. And Worf, too, filled in for the fallen Tasha Yar in the Security Chief role. Since the division of labor in the first season of TNG was a very confused issue, it could well be argued that Tasha Yar never was Chief of Tactical; we could argue that Worf was, and then took a double job at Picard's special dispensation.

As to why things were so messed up during the first half of TNG S1, remember that the ship was seriously undercrewed when sailing to Farpoint. Perhaps she remained so for the first half of the season, due to Starfleet cancelling the great exploration mission beyond Farpoint once it became evident that there would not be a Farpoint to support that mission. The crew intended for the E-D might have been assigned elsewhere, never being shipped to the waypoint that had suddenly become a space mollusk and floated away. This would explain e.g. why the character of Colm Meaney had to wander the corridors in Security tasks, despite later being revealed as transporter engineer O'Brien...

Essentially, every other ship in Starfleet might have had separate Tactical and Security department heads. There's enough evidence that prominent skippers "customize" their bridge crews and even their bridge architecture; the combined Tactical/Security might be a pure Picard thing, plus something forced upon Janeway due to manpower shortages.

Timo Saloniemi
 
They're the same position on modern Navy and Coast Guard ships. The tactical officer is the decedent of the modern Weapons Officer/Combat Systems Officer. I wouldn't say they're exactly over worked, as Worf would have many officers, NCOs, and enlisted personnel under him that we never get to see.
 
the combined Tactical/Security might be a pure Picard thing, plus something forced upon Janeway due to manpower shortages.

Timo Saloniemi

wasn't Tuvok's bridge station labeled as "Security/Tactical" since it left DS9? I thought it had both words... I suppose there's space for multiple people at that station, but I'd think it'd be rather crowded up there, since we usually only see one person there and one opposite (Kim bumbling around at Ops)
 
Starfleet Security

:rolleyes:

Data played their cascading lock-outs like an accordion. :rommie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC7EKKtFcJs

"And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."

On Topic:

Sometimes you need Worf, other times you need Tuvok, still other times you need Odo.

Knowing the difference... Priceless!
 
I've always found it funny that Starfleet security officers walk to the emergency instead of just transporting there.
 
That's Romulan Freedom from Information Act, diligently enforced.

And I don't mind getting to the spot of unrest on foot when transporters are as jammable (and unreliable next to forcefields) as they are. What is a bit more worrisome is that the security teams tend to walk rather than run. But that may simply be good logistics: they are usually still there in time (to be neutralized or otherwise ignored).

They're the same position on modern Navy and Coast Guard ships.

Really?

Timo Saloniemi
 
And I don't mind getting to the spot of unrest on foot when transporters are as jammable (and unreliable next to forcefields) as they are.

just hope that Janice Rand isn't operating the transporter or you'll end up a pile of squawking goo :shifty:

What is a bit more worrisome is that the security teams tend to walk rather than run. But that may simply be good logistics: they are usually still there in time (to be neutralized or otherwise ignored).

after years of easily dying/being stunned, they probably figure "why bother" or "what's the rush." they need some motivation imho
 
after years of easily dying/being stunned, they probably figure "why bother" or "what's the rush." they need some motivation imho

The interesting part is that these guys manage to maintain their morale pretty well, despite all the crazy junk they get thrown into. You'd think they'd complain or whine more...
 
Well, in DS9, Odo was chief of security, but Worf, and before him someone else, was the tactical officer I think- cuz Odo didn't seem to know much about OPs.

I'd imagine when it comes to consoles, you could delegate... but in the end, security is a team effort...
 
Well, in DS9, Odo was chief of security, but Worf, and before him someone else, was the tactical officer I think- cuz Odo didn't seem to know much about OPs.

I'd imagine when it comes to consoles, you could delegate... but in the end, security is a team effort...
The difference is that DS9 was a space station with a very large civilian population and ships coming and going every day. Even if Odo would of been able to handle the tactical position I would imagine that he was too busy attending to security matters.
 
Worf wasn't actually tactical officer on DS9, he was the strategic operations officer. Not exactly sure what the title means, but it clearly had more responisbilites than a tactical officer.
 
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