Was watching 'The Disease' with my wife and we were both laughing about all the regulations Harry was supposedly breaking by getting it on with a hot alien babe. Had Janeway never heard of Kirk, or Riker?
Starfleet regulations on interspecies mixing
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You might think these rules were invented for Kirk.
Trip Tucker got pregnant after a one night stand in a row boat 3 weeks out form Earth.
Actually.
Did the Klingons become better or worse after Archer handed over those Aliens Holotech to that Klingon Warlord in that story?
Was Janeway working on Precedence in the Killing Game?
Trip Tucker got pregnant after a one night stand in a row boat 3 weeks out form Earth.
Actually.
Did the Klingons become better or worse after Archer handed over those Aliens Holotech to that Klingon Warlord in that story?
Was Janeway working on Precedence in the Killing Game?
If sex with aliens is very very dangerous than so must breathing the air on alien worlds, eating alien food..
Yup.
Porthos almost died from chewing on a tree.
(Why am i still talking about Enterprise?)
You have to remember that the galaxy was "seeded" by the Preservers several million years ago, so that there would be a multitude of similar M Class worlds and bipedal humanoids with a shared heritage coming into their fore at almost the same time.
20 million years ago, the Voth couldn't find anywhere decent to live, that they made it all the way to the Delta Quadrant before they discovered a new world worth settling.
Porthos almost died from chewing on a tree.
(Why am i still talking about Enterprise?)
You have to remember that the galaxy was "seeded" by the Preservers several million years ago, so that there would be a multitude of similar M Class worlds and bipedal humanoids with a shared heritage coming into their fore at almost the same time.
20 million years ago, the Voth couldn't find anywhere decent to live, that they made it all the way to the Delta Quadrant before they discovered a new world worth settling.
Yair, well, I get the impression that they were kind of choosy.
That was one of those bewildering episodes, where you're forced to wonder if the writers, producers or director had ever seen an episode of Star Trek before in their lives.
Was Harry really the titular character?
(Yes, I understood what I just said.)
So the disease wasn't Harry, or Harry's glowing penis, it was the individualistic yearning to be free from the yolk of fascist tyranny... Y'Know the usual, but in a clever wrap.
I mean it's not like an STD turned that plebeian drone proletariat into a rabble of dissident terrorists.
It was the dream of freedom.
(Yes, I understood what I just said.)
So the disease wasn't Harry, or Harry's glowing penis, it was the individualistic yearning to be free from the yolk of fascist tyranny... Y'Know the usual, but in a clever wrap.
I mean it's not like an STD turned that plebeian drone proletariat into a rabble of dissident terrorists.
It was the dream of freedom.
In the UK Sci-Fi comedy series Hyperdrive, they state that:
"Alien sex is danger sex."
I would assume the regs he was breaking was about respecting alien cultures and traditions. But then again it was just another attempt to give Kim something to do and make a dull character 'interesting' by making him break some rules.
"Alien sex is danger sex."
I would assume the regs he was breaking was about respecting alien cultures and traditions. But then again it was just another attempt to give Kim something to do and make a dull character 'interesting' by making him break some rules.
The Captain has to give diplomatic clearance, and the Doctor has to give medical clearance.
That seems completely logical.
The alternative is wondering why your liver is floating in your toilet bowl after a typical morning evacuation.
The "diplomatic clearance" part apparently isn't a general standing regulation, but something Janeway decided upon on this particular case - it's something the regulations allow for, not something they require.
The medical clearance in turn is probably a formality only, at least if both (all?) species are familiar to UFP medicine and the risks are known. Kirk would have carried the appropriate card in his back pocket, collecting stamps until he had to get a more spacious pocket; Kim for some reason didn't stamp his (and probably 90% of people never do), and the EMH needed some angle to make himself feel important and this was it.
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The medical clearance in turn is probably a formality only, at least if both (all?) species are familiar to UFP medicine and the risks are known. Kirk would have carried the appropriate card in his back pocket, collecting stamps until he had to get a more spacious pocket; Kim for some reason didn't stamp his (and probably 90% of people never do), and the EMH needed some angle to make himself feel important and this was it.
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Its best if that episode is just ignored.
She was using him right?
(Been a while)
Clouding his good sense with sex so that he could unwittingly help the resistance?
Harry's glowing penis was a pawn in a much larger game.
The bit from the quotes I found amusing was when Janeway ordered him to break up with her.
Surely that's a little past her authority?
I mean she can put him in the brig and make it so that he'll never seem her again, but to order him to sever an emotional connection for the good of her community, well, if that don't seem Borg, nothing does.
Can this Captain break up anyone's relationship if it irks her?
"Tuvok, it's pon far. Stop being an idiot. You're divorced as of this second. Go find some one and boff them for three days and then, maybe I'll think about remarrying you to T'Pel."
(Been a while)
Clouding his good sense with sex so that he could unwittingly help the resistance?
Harry's glowing penis was a pawn in a much larger game.
The bit from the quotes I found amusing was when Janeway ordered him to break up with her.
Surely that's a little past her authority?
I mean she can put him in the brig and make it so that he'll never seem her again, but to order him to sever an emotional connection for the good of her community, well, if that don't seem Borg, nothing does.
Can this Captain break up anyone's relationship if it irks her?
"Tuvok, it's pon far. Stop being an idiot. You're divorced as of this second. Go find some one and boff them for three days and then, maybe I'll think about remarrying you to T'Pel."
Weirdly, I can think of a reason for Janeway to enforce this: maintaining crew cohesion.
They're in the Delta Quadrant, and they're trying to go home. Wherever they are, they're not going to stay there. So any romantic attachment a crewmember makes outside of the crew itself has one of two likely outcomes: either that relationship necessarily ends when the ship moves on, leading to a heartbroken crewmember who probably won't be operating at his peak for a bit; or the crewmember leaves the ship, diminishing Voyager's manpower.
So it makes sense for Janeway to rule against outside romantic fraternization. What doesn't make sense is how often during the series she didn't enforce this, and broke it herself IIRC.
Kim himself also ought to be smart enough to realize, even in the depths of his passion, that it can't last unless he's prepared to stay, and I don't think that comes up in the episode (though I could be wrong, I haven't seen it since it aired).
They're in the Delta Quadrant, and they're trying to go home. Wherever they are, they're not going to stay there. So any romantic attachment a crewmember makes outside of the crew itself has one of two likely outcomes: either that relationship necessarily ends when the ship moves on, leading to a heartbroken crewmember who probably won't be operating at his peak for a bit; or the crewmember leaves the ship, diminishing Voyager's manpower.
So it makes sense for Janeway to rule against outside romantic fraternization. What doesn't make sense is how often during the series she didn't enforce this, and broke it herself IIRC.
Kim himself also ought to be smart enough to realize, even in the depths of his passion, that it can't last unless he's prepared to stay, and I don't think that comes up in the episode (though I could be wrong, I haven't seen it since it aired).
I'm thinking the ship society looked particularly appealing and Voyager's crew had been particularly cabin fever-ish prior to this encounter. Perhaps Janeway intuited that some regulation boundaries would be a good idea at that point as a way of closing the barn doors before they all bolted and had to be reined in. As someone says in thread it's not like she could or would stop anyone from leaving but it may well have been on her mind that her crew were prone to entanglements at that time.
Dictatorial? Well, yeah: in the end, this is a military starship, stuck entirely on its own, trying to stretch its limited resources enough to get home (though you wouldn't know it from most episodes). Anytime a crewmember leaves, if they leave, that's one less Starfleet- (or Maquis-) trained able body and skillset available to help keep the rest of the crew alive and the ship operating. If enough people leave, eventually you guarantee the ship doesn't get home even if the few remaining crew still want to, because you can't keep it in good enough shape / under enough control to do so. So in the situation, it would make sense for Janeway to be a little (by which I mean, a lot) more dictatorial than she actually was--or than any captain would be back in known space, where support is available, and not usually too far away.
Tom, Neelix, kes and Seska all left without any fuss.
Considering how hard Janeway bared down on Ransom, you have to wonder why Janeway let Seska just scone off.
Considering how hard Janeway bared down on Ransom, you have to wonder why Janeway let Seska just scone off.
Everything you just said points toward making concessions to keep people happy rather than locking them down to the point where they hand in their resignations.
Only Tom counts in this, she could hardly force DQ resident species to stay on Voyager. And Seska, you'd need a guard on her at all times while she did whatever routine assignment she was given and that's a waste of manpower too.
Starfleet doesn't have to make concessions.
They send dilettantes and deserters to finish off their lives in New Zealand.
She doesn't have the heft to keep that crew in line if they lose interest in their never ending quest.
Janeway needs to build pain booths.
They send dilettantes and deserters to finish off their lives in New Zealand.
She doesn't have the heft to keep that crew in line if they lose interest in their never ending quest.
Janeway needs to build pain booths.
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