Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, Jun 15, 2022.

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  1. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored One of these days, Artemis. Pow! Right to the Moon Moderator

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    Vulcans, for all their talk of infinite diversity in infinite combinations, are frequently depicted as intolerant dicks stuck in their ways instead of being open-minded and adaptable.:shrug:

    That's why, for all their intelligence, they're not very socially adaptable or at ease around other cultures. It wasn't until Valeris that a Vulcan graduated at the top of their Academy class. That's why Vulcans still operate Starfleet ships that are entirely or mostly crewed by Vulcans (USS Intrepid in TOS, USS Hera in TNG ((Geordi's mother's ship had a mostly Vulcan crew)), and USS T'Kumbra in DS9). That's why Spock and his mother experienced so much bigotry and discrimination and why the USS T'Kumbra's captain was a bigot towards humans.

    That's why Vulcans are so discriminatory against other Vulcans who won't accept the way of Surak and live a life of logic. If you're not a criminal you are allowed to remain but as a second-class citizen who wouldn't be accepted to the Vulcan Science Academy, the Vulcan Defense Force, or into government. The moment you commit a crime though they're only too willing to put you behind bars where they can "rehabilitate" you, which is more like forced indoctrination because it's the only option available to you if you want to secure an early release.

    It's a paranoid remnant from their near-apocalyptic civil war against "those who march beneath the Raptor's wings" AKA what would become the Romulans over 2,000 years ago. Even the more egalitarian Spock immediately adopted a "kill it with fire" approach just like the bigoted Stiles the moment he found out the Romulans were an ancient offshoot of the Vulcan's aggressive colonialist period.

    In a way it's similar to how Humans and the Federation they heavily influence have an over-the-top prohibition against genetic engineering that even extends to members of other species serving in Starfleet, all because of their experience in the Eugenics Wars hundreds of years ago.
     
  2. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

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    Ask people from any culture what they believe, what's right, what they do, and especially what's forbidden.

    Then watch them for a while.
     
  3. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    We're generally pretty terrible at living up to our brand advertising as a species. In both good and bad ways.
     
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  4. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I really enjoyed this one. The pitch meeting for SNW appears to be as follows:

    "Reboot Star Trek but Spock is engaged and everyone's trying to fuck it up."

    And SYYYYYYYBOOOOOOOCK IS BAAAAAAAACK!!!!!
     
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  5. the G-man

    the G-man Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Jesse was great. I knew her work from Big Sky but she was on a whole different level here, chewing scenery like it was potato chips. Definitely need to bring her back, regardless of pronouns. Probably my favorite new character of the series.
     
  6. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    Just watched this one. Only 8 and 9 to watch now. It was alright. I guessed the Captain Angel twist very early on, but it was great to see more Spock/Chapel/T’Pring.

    One of the seasons weaker episodes, but for SNW then a weaker episode is stil not bad.
     
  7. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I realise that the Enterprise being captured was a thing in TOS but this seemed very easy, even if she still only has 200 odd crew at this point, they must have vastly outnumbered the pirates. How many people could one ship transport in such a short window?

    This is the only gambit that has any hope of success in the Enterprise Incident (piggybacking on an existing transporter signal) but I don't like all this beaming onto other ships without transporter pads witout instantlytriggering Intruder Alert alarms like in TMP. If it was this easy, counter-measures would have been put in place at the same time as the transporters (such as diverting incoming signals to the transporter room or the brig - we know interception of signals is possible and we know that deactivating weapons is possible).

    It was fun but very sloppy.

    Shout out to Chapel's talent with a hypospray from TOS. They have been really clever in developing a story that plugs the plot hole in Naked Time regarding Chock. T'Pring is great. Loving the return of a certain other Vulcan too.
     
  8. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    Needs of the plot.
     
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  9. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Needs of the plot outweigh the needs of the many. Or the one
     
  10. Noname Given

    Noname Given Admiral Admiral

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    The needs of the plot outweigh the needs of common sense, or actual story logic.:whistle:
     
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  11. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Especially with deadlines coming up.
     
  12. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm sure you could probably apply for citizenship on another world or a regular judicial system punishment for your crimes but this is how Vulcan's runs.
     
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  13. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Vulcan retained its cultural autonomy after joining the Federation. It's a society run on logic. They almost nuked themselves into extinction 2,000 years ago due to emotion so they're not likely to just let you out of a rehabilitation program unless you agree to certain terms of behavior.

    That's just what Vulcan post-Surak is.
     
  14. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

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    In Trek universe, Andor, Tellar, Alpha Centauri and Vulcan agreed to let Earth be the de facto H.Q of the new UFP as long as those pesky humans kept their noses out of their business. Earth considered it a fair trade, in return they would get their hands on a warp 6 engine.
    Starfleet leaped for joy at the news
     
  15. Voodoowoman2

    Voodoowoman2 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Nope, she was saying she flirted nonsexually with a "gal" who misunderstood and got mad. Chapel is not bisexual......yet.
     
  16. Captain Jollydark

    Captain Jollydark Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I got the impression that you could but it wouldn't be in the rehabilitation center. T'Pring works for an organization that offers an alternative to regular prison. Or so it seemed to be implied by her associate. They are proselytizing, they are a bit holier-than-thou but the criminal has the right to accept the offer of "return to logic" or not. That's the offer that was presented to Bajor whatshisface. He said nope, because the human company you keep grosses me out. But he was still going to prison because he committed a crime. Just not Ankeshtan K'til. I imagine that a lot of the Vulcan people who committed crimes would not consider themselves to be a "vulcan without logic" and might welcome a way to get out of regular prison by accepting rehabilitation.

    In Sybok's case it gets all fuzzy though. He's there under an assumed name, either by his choice or... Does T'Pring know who he is? Is he tricking them for some nefarious reason? Is he there to get followers? Did he go there because he actually wants to get all logicky again? Is he being held against his will in secret without any other authorities knowing? Is this something Sarek did?
     
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