Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Apr 19, 2023.
Enterprise fucked a few up personally
Yes but 30 years isn’t that old for a ship. Especially one that gets refit so often.
I read in one of those technical manual that the Galaxy class was designed to have a hundred year lifespan.
If you're refering to the glimpse of a Connie engineering section seen in Best of Both Worlds part II, I wouldn't say it's definitely a Constitution class. We only see it for a second and only a part of the ship. I consider most of the wreckage in that episode to be best left unidentified.
I'm not making a strong argument for it. I'm just saying that, given her service record, it is believable that she would be retired at this point. The fact that here the F gets retired is less believable.
The F being decommissioned has something to do with a fault in its computer system according to those Instagram logs. Not because of its age.
Star Trek 2009, Discovery Season 1 and 2 (other classe dominated). SNW Season 1 (April). Take your pick. Oh yeah. Gene.
Yeah just like the warp scale recalibration. Shall we discuss the Warp Factors Kirk ordered the 1701 to in TOS in a way that makes sense with Enterprise, Discovery/SNW and TNG?
The Yorktown renaming was from the TNG Writers technical manual as well, which was an internal document first published in Season 3, exclusively for the writers.
Honestly the lack of a throw away line making that "canon" given the preponderance of every other piece of creative intent is ludicrous.
Okay so maybe there's some more. I missed them. Maybe not that early then in this case. Regardless, Titan is the Enterprise-G now.
Okay well, I do need to disagree with you on this. The Constitution hull was the enterprise hull from TSFS, and the saucer was the enterprises also.
IIRC the intention was to kind of show that if Kirk had been there it wouldn’t have mattered, the Borg were that scary.
I may be misremembering tho
This is getting too much into the weeds to explain fully. Of course, the CO can establish general rules for the operation of the ship or pursue disciplinary action against crewmen. However, there are corps that are semi-autonomous, where the captain mostly consults with the department head but has no direct authority over. The captain cannot say how the wounded are triaged. I offer this up as possible way that a relationship works because the main leadership would not be responsible for the performance review of a medical professional. At least on a base, the relationship might be acceptable.
Not a book fan I take it?
They’re written but Probert and other designers of the ships. I’m not dismissing them because it’s in a book.
Love the books. I just see no point in citing them.
Chancellorville should never have been honored in the first place. Traitors don't need memorials.
Hence him being silent. "You know that only top of the line models can even talk."
On another note, there's something else I noticed in this episode, and that is that the tricorders that Riker and Worf used on the Borg "fortress" give "proximity beeps" that get faster when you get closer to certain readings. The tricorders in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" did this as well as the ones in "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock." Anyone else notice this?
I never said anything about age for the F. I believe I made my point very clear.
Not sure how you're disagreeing with me. Plenty of models in that scene were kitbashes, so they used parts from existing designs. What I'm saying is that this might be the case for this one too.
Im meaning that I want to say I read an interview that they used that specific debris very intentionally
A good example of this is that the oldest of the Arleigh Burke class destroyers of the US Navy are going to start retiring close to 2030, but new ones being produced now and will be produced through the early 2030s will likely serve into the 2060s and 2070s. They're substantially different than what first launched in the late 1980 and the new ones differ from the serving old ones, despite upgrades.
Even as the same class, the guts have changed a lot. And we know the Enterprise-E got a major refit between Insurrection and Nemesis which significantly changed the shape and combat power of the ship. And Drexler intended for there to be a (gorgeous) post-Nemesis refit that would go even further and finish the job (that sadly no one has used in canon). So the Sovereign that launched in 2371 was already quite different from the Sovereign that were in the fleet in 2380, despite having very similar designs. So who knows how much more advanced the Sovereigns were by 2401. It's possible Starfleet feels they just hit on a successful spaceframe they could keep upgrading the guts of for decades, like they did the Excelsior. They didn't build a lot of Ambassador-class ships, nor did the Constitution-refits serve in large numbers through the mid 24th century. But they kept making and building and refitting Excelsiors and Mirandas and variants for 70-80 years, because evidently, they think they hit a sweet spot on build time / cruise size / capability / upgradability. We saw that with the Lakota.
Wrote about this a bunch above, but it's quite clear from the rareness of the Enterprise-F-type ship, anything larger, rareness of Ross-class and the number of classes that use common parts such as Connie-III, Sagan, Duderstadt, Echelon and maybe others, that by 2400, Starfleet transitioned to relatively smaller ships (Excelsior or Ambassador-clas size) with smaller crews and few amenities. Basically the late 23rd century approach with 25th century technologies. This would be the right lesson to take from the Dominion War.
The Enterprise was simply described as Starfleet's newest flagship. That probably has more to do with the name, rather then the class. For all we know, Starfleet had cracked out a two dozen Constitution class ships by then.
We only know that the Enterprise was launched in 2245 and that there were "12 like her in the fleet", according to Kirk in TOS. For all we know, that could simply mean there were only 12 Connie's outfitted like the Enterprise, as I'm sure they made more then only 12. We also have no idea when the USS Constitution herself was launched. For all we know, it was launched 10 years before the Enterprise. Nothing has ever been stated canonically and don't even start with trying to use the registry numbers.
Where was this stated?
Gene said alot of things we routinely ignore.
Which is why I am surprised they got away with Q. John de Lancie was not paid for Episode 10. He was paid for season 2, and Terry Metalas asked if he could have 20 minutes to quickly shot a scene for season 3, which De Lancie agreed to do. Perhaps pushing that scene into the end credits makes a legal difference.
Perhaps it's the reason behind the inclusion, sure. It's just hard to believe that Starfleet to send a 100+ year old ship to fight the Borg, of all things.
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