Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 1, 2023.

?

Engage!

  1. 10 - Excellent!

    41.8%
  2. 9

    29.7%
  3. 8

    13.3%
  4. 7

    8.4%
  5. 6

    1.5%
  6. 5

    2.3%
  7. 4

    1.1%
  8. 3

    0.4%
  9. 2

    0.4%
  10. 1 - Terrible!

    1.1%
  1. TedShatner10

    TedShatner10 Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2007
    I don't think Season 1 really collapsed (it's a somewhat underrated NuTrek season) but went on slightly odd tangents along the way and had a crowded ending. Season 2 had a much more noticeable mid season nosedive, but was bookended by strong opening and closing episodes.

    By Season 3 it seems like they learned from the crippling pacing and padding problems that S2 had, alongside having a more focused storyline than in S1 (arising from creative bikering).
     
  2. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Well the answer is she didn't take one?

    Nothing at all in the conversation between Picard and Crusher is about how she got pregnant - it's entirely about why he didn't know.
     
    NCC-73515, Jarvisimo and Paul Weaver like this.
  3. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2002
    Location:
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    The really simple answer is that she had reason to think she wasn't fertile anymore. They weren't taking precautions and didn't think they needed to. That would apply to "morning after" methods as well. She got a surprise.
     
  4. jaime

    jaime Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2013
    Location:
    London
    I think medical professionals in the 24th century who have medical tricorders and don’t even need to pee on a stick probably shouldn’t get surprises. Doctors know pregnancy is possible in older women now, and that it is more likely in women that have been pregnant before — unless this knowledge about human women was lost in WW3 and not rediscovered in the three centuries after, ‘surprise’ should only really apply when one is accidentally shagged by an alien energy being one day.
     
    Skipper likes this.
  5. Skipper

    Skipper Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    This really opens another cans of worms...
    Best case scenario: The writers haven't really thought about what it means to talk about "unwanted pregnancy" in a show set 400 years from now and we have to accept what we are told at face value.

    Worst case scenario: Beverly has been actively trying to get pregnant with Picard and has adamantly decided not to tell him anything before, during, and after.
     
    kkt, Commander Troi and jaime like this.
  6. SiorX

    SiorX Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Location:
    Aporia
    I think the truest reason it is that the writers wanted the drama and didn't care about whether it stretched suspension of disbelief too far.

    But if we're scrambling for a diegetic reason, I'm choosing to believe the metaphasic energy in the Briar Patch had unexpected long-term effects that weren't picked up by scans.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2023
    Commander Troi, Jarvisimo and Skipper like this.
  7. Timelord Victorious

    Timelord Victorious Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Location:
    Germany, Earth, the Solar System
    Not a bad idea.
    Maybe Picard has had the 24th century equivalent of a vasectomy, but wasn’t aware his rejuvenation regenerated more than he was aware of.
     
    Commander Troi and Danja like this.
  8. Lt Mo

    Lt Mo Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2023
    That’s pretty much what Terry M says in this interview. That this is the story he wanted to tell and stop nitpicking and we should just accept it.

    (Possible spoilers)
    https://collider.com/star-trek-pica...-showrunner-terry-matalas/?newsletter_popup=1
     
    Jarvisimo and Danja like this.
  9. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2017
    I’m more curious how this story connects with seasons one and two. They said each season is like a chapter of a book.
     
  10. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    I don't think this works because you're basing assumptions on the 21st century practice of dispensing medicine to a patient for home use, with no way of monitoring compliance. In the 24th century, you might trust a patient to self administer a drug, but for sure you are going to have a computerized way to monitor when and how much is injected. Your hypo is going to tell your doctor if you miss a dose or take too much, and a nurse is going to immediately follow up to tell you to take your injection. And if you still don't administer it, they'll bug you more. And that's assuming they wouldn't just implant a tiny slow-release dispenser in your abdomen to begin with. There should be no excuse for medication compliance falling through the cracks by this point in time.
     
  11. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
  12. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    This is probably accurate.
     
  13. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    That wouldn’t make for good drama though.

    And Star Trek has always tried to be relatable.
     
    SJGardner likes this.
  14. Brainsucker

    Brainsucker Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2007
    Location:
    South East Asia
    I don't know why Titan A doesn't send out several shuttles to leave the Nebula quietly and contact Deep Space 11 or other fro help.
     
    Jarvisimo likes this.
  15. Ovation

    Ovation Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Location:
    La Belle Province
    The needs of the drama outweigh the needs of verisimilitude.

    (AKA Star Trek)
     
    kkt, Skipper, Richard S. Ta and 7 others like this.
  16. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Yup. Star Trek has always been this way.
     
  17. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2003
    Location:
    Tacoma, Washington
    A good example of this is how often ships can travel at the "speed of plot".
     
  18. Citiprime

    Citiprime Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2021
    Some thoughts ....
    • The Shrike doesn't seem to be a Jem'Hadar ship design. It arguably seems like a mix of Cardassian and Klingon engineering.
    • Is Vadic the Female Changeling? It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that the progressive Federation, in the interest of galactic peace, release a mass murderer on the level of Hitler for good behavior.
    • Are Vadic's foot soldiers other Changelings, a variation on the Jem'Hadar, or a completey new serant race?
    • One way they could severely damage the Federation would be if they revealed the events of "In the Pale Moonlight" to the rest of the galaxy, letting the Romulans know they entered the Dominion War, sarcrificing thousands if not millions of Romulans lives, based on a Federation lie.
    • If they're worried about reigniting the Dominion War it means they can no longer count on Sikso and the other Prophets from blocking wormhole traffic.
    • What is so special about Jack Crusher? Wild mass guessing: Jack is a changeling that replaced the real Jack years ago and has been under deep cover.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2023
  19. Paul Weaver

    Paul Weaver Vice Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 1999
    Location:
    Cheshire, UK
    So the Federation doesn't want to admit that Changelings are responsible for the attacks to avoid reigniting the Dominion conflict so are happy to blame T'Luco

    The breakaway changelings do want to restart the war.

    So why did Rikka pay Sneed to frame T'Luco?
     
    Commander Troi and TedShatner10 like this.
  20. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Probably not, we see her smoking. I don't think a changeling would fall for humanoid vices.
    The subtitles in the Canadian version of Episode 3 called them changelings.