Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x06 - "Two of One"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Apr 6, 2022.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

  1. Judith Sisko

    Judith Sisko Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 2, 2002
    Yes, he does. It can be done. I've done it before myself. If you've got the right experiences and skill-sets, it's not as difficult as one would think.
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  2. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    So, Pat Benatar is now canon. Which, really, is all I got out of this one. And I'm happy with that.

    This episode overall, though, was kind of a snore. Nothing happened (good or bad) and I gate the "start with tension moment" then "x-period of times later." That's compounded when it does it after every. Damn. Commercial. Break.

    Dud rhat element add anything? Why not show us events occurring chronologically? And, apparently, tnis biomechanical android is so similar to people a 21st century doctor can work in it? But, oh, can't use a defibrillator. Huh?!

    I like the stuff between Picard and this ancestor but it seems like that thread is in bed now, like the ICE/immigration narrative, and we're moving on to the stuff between Picard and this mom (the man is almost 100 years old, hasn't he worked this out by now?) and Q/Soong?

    Ugh, this season seems to be drifting in the wind. I'm not checked out yet frim being disgusted and passed off like I was with S1 at this point, thus was just kind if a tepid episode.
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  3. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 15, 2002
    As I wrote in my review, this episode reconfirmed to me that she really isn't cut from the same cloth as Gary Seven. Gary arrives on Earth to find that his two agents were killed in a car crash. So, he immediately sets out to complete their mission, which involved infiltrating a military base and sabotaging a rocket! He was not paralyzed by the fear of an inadvertent timeline change.

    Meanwhile Talinn just watched and didn't realize that Q was undermining history without even using his powers. Further, when faced with this knowledge, Picard had to push her multiple times over several episodes to act!

    I was thinking she was a pointless character, but I'm guessing that her plot rationale for existing is in the upcoming episode where she goes into Picard's head and presumably fixes whatever is going on.
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  4. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 15, 2002
    I'd agree. While it would be nice to be of high quality and entertaining, if you have to pick one or the other, I'd say go with entertaining. After all, if it's not entertaining, you're just not having fun.
  5. Bay17

    Bay17 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 9, 2018
    No worries man, like I’ve said I got bored with this episode and watched it in parts, so the idea that this was the Queen getting inside Alice’s head and making her do things, like someone else explained earlier, it escaped me.

    I don’t consume a lot of sci fi, I don’t watch everything or read the novels or know what’s canon or what isn’t. I just watch the series as they come on. I think it’s great that some of you can make all sorts of references back to earlier series and episodes, I really do, but I know none of that. I have no idea who Gary Seven is.

    I like Star Trek but I get annoyed at some of the corny bits, like the singing and dancing and dressing up on the holodeck of TNG, or the mirror universe, which I know a lot of people like but I just think is corny “ooh wouldn’t it be fun if there was an evil version of the characters, and they could fight each other” - to me that just says they’ve run out of ideas.

    So Alice singing on the balcony just seemed like more of that, in an episode where there was a lot of shots of the band etc which just seemed like filler. It just took too long to get to the bit they told us about 10 times, Picard is injured. And the writing is just very average at times - Renee tells Jean Luc she wants to be alone, he says one thing, suddenly she’s all warm and friendly towards him. To me, poor and corny writing.

    But just my opinion, each to their own
  6. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 15, 2002
    Yeah, I'm not a fan of that approach either. Takes me out of the story somewhat whenever it's used.

    But shows (and fiction in general) use it when they feel that there isn't a hook to keep the viewer involved that occurs early on naturally. So, it's a technique for introducing that hook earlier than it would normally. And you can see why they'd use it in this episode. Without it, you'd just have people maneuvering around at a party for a while. (Although, I did enjoy those character moments!)
  7. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    I saw Henry Starling on a brand new Mr Mayor the other night.

    332 acting credits on IMDB?

    Has Ed Bagley Junior ever said never "no" to a gig?
  8. Akiraprise

    Akiraprise To Ꝏ & BEYOND! Moderator

    Mar 4, 2004
    Hell's North Pole

    Pretty standard filler episode. The Queen and Jurati stuff was good as usual. The flash back time jumping from 34 minutes to the present was annoying. But I always find that annoying in shows. Agnes can sing! The Picard synth body is a conundrum all unto itself. Is he a man? Kinda sorta. Should he be with the time jump? Not really. Why doesn't Seven have her implants then? The star of the evening, Renee Picard, is a hot mess and probably shouldn't be in the astronaut program. No way her handlers let her go off by herself if she is so important. Another contrivance was Adam Soong knowing that her and Jean Luc would be exiting a particular door and conveniently it's just the two of them? He then runs them down in a car and escapes scott free with all of the video surveillance and security at the party now not working.

    Average episode score deserved. Not terrible, not particularly note worthy.
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  9. unimatrix7

    unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 6, 2001
    Not liking an episode and saying so in a place that specifically asks for opinions and scores between 1 and 10 != “being miserable all the time.”

    Yep. Same.

    But I have to admit I’m struggling to sit through Prodigy.
  10. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    I’m not liking the storytelling this season. So much of the logic seems so arbitrary. Triggering endorphins is what BQ needs to control Agnes, and this is pulled out of nowhere.

    Most sci-fi will have a couple of these contrivances in an episode which they will justify by establishing it before it’s important. Now they’re doing five times as many of them without the priming. It’s just plain sloppy writing. Then they arbitrarily take away Q’s powers.

    And now Picard has fallen into the life stream and needs a magic journey through his brain to get him out of his emotion coma. How can we get Tifa at this time of night?

    I don’t mind the ‘34 minutes earlier’ trope but it didn’t add anything in this case. But I’m outright groaning that they’re doing the “Emotion coma that requires a metaphorical journey through his brain to resolve his issues” trope.

    I do like what they’re doing with the Eugenics storyline.
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  11. StarMan

    StarMan Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 5, 2005
    Funny! Oh lordy, if that were the case my already lowered expectations would completely nose dive.

    You are joking, right? Why would you joke about that?

    You're not joking are you?
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  12. Anduinel

    Anduinel Captain Captain

    Mar 8, 2020
    'Fraid not...


    Q: How did [Terry Matalas] and the team pull off writing these two seasons back to back? Did they know about TNG reunion coming in S3 as they wrote S2?

    A: It was tricky! I had to split off about midway through Season 2. My partner, Akiva, brilliantly captained the rest of it while I dug into Season 3. I was very lucky to have such incredible support from, Alex, Akiva and the rest of the Picard team.
  13. gvn2fly

    gvn2fly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jul 22, 2016
    According to IMDb terry wrote 2.10 so he was still involved in the latter half of season 2, but maybe not the day to day activities of showrunner. This is actually a good thing I think. It means they were coming up with the plot for season 3 while season 2 was being written / filmed. Probably why they were ready to go with season 3 filming the day after season 2 finished
  14. Aeolusdallas

    Aeolusdallas Captain Captain

    Oct 20, 2008
    Except we know that Vulcans were psionic before they embraced logic
    . They had psi weapons that they abandoned after they started following Surak because they did not work against Vulcans who had embraced logic.
  15. CerebralCortexan

    CerebralCortexan Cadet Newbie

    Mar 26, 2022
    Watching the new episode of Picard like:
  16. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Well it's a short cut to becoming a master mentalist.

    Years of training, or wear a magic hat.


    Romulans are the original species on Vulcan. Vulcans came thousands of years later, when Romulans started embracing Logic, thereby transforming into Vulcans. I say thousands, because Vulcan is not the planet of origin for these specieses.
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  17. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

    Mar 15, 2020
    Don't forget Picard hasn't cured her depression he has just conned her into getting on the shuttle by making her fell better for the little bit it takes to go into quarantine.
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  18. ananta

    ananta Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 13, 2020
    I’m apprehensive at the thought of Tallin/Laris-lookalikie going into Picard’s mind to heal his psychological issues. They used this trope to death in 90’s Trek (going into a character’s mind) and I’ve always found it rather cheap storytelling. I still didnt entirely forgive DS9 for grinding the final run of episodes to a halt for the dreadful Sloan episode (“Extreme Measures”). I’ll reserve judgement, but my enthusiasm for the next episode is dampened.
  19. Ianburns252

    Ianburns252 Captain Captain

    Apr 2, 2021
    If you are going to talk about things being dumbed down, it would help if your sentence structures were correct (to support the pedestal you clearly are standing on) and when referencing BSG earlier you could also have tried to get the character correct.

    You can love or hate the show as much as you want, and that is your right to - I'm not going to bore you to death trying to change your mind; if you are, however, going to shit on something it would probably get a better reaction and bring more people to your side if you were constructive in your criticisms and fleshed them out somewhat.
  20. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

    Mar 30, 2006
    To be fair, it's amazing how infrequent this is, considering all the trauma those characters have gone through....holodeck accidents, transporter accidents, weird diseases, possessions, all that.
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