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Star Trek Novels and Canon

JPW

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Before I start, yes, i know what canon is, and yes, i know that the Star Trek novels aren't considered canon.

What perplexes me more is why this is still the case. In fact, why it was ever the case. I simply don't understand the reasoning behind the decision to draw a great big line between Star Trek TV and Star Trek literature.

Surely what the novelists come up with would be of great benefit to the canon? For example, the recent Terok Nor trilogy adds great insight into what becomes DS9. So why not make it canon? Another example is the gap fillers, such as the A Time to... series, which actually helps canon by explaining some characters absence! (e.g. Perim)

This topic has had a greater voice for me after several of the series (in fact, is it all now?) have had a literature 'relaunch'. Surely this carrying on of canon opens the door for the novels to be regarded in the same way?

Surely Star Trek is Star Trek?

Alas, if i'm talking rubbish, feel free to shoot me down.

JPW
 
As a practical matter, making the novels canon would require the producers of the television programs/movies to keep track of everything that happened in them to make sure there were no contradictions. That's a hefty amount of work to add to the already substantial pressures of producing modern TV and film. More to the point, the TV shows and movies reach an audience of millions, while the novels reach an audience of thousands. Making the novels canon, and requiring filmed Trek not to contradict them, would restrict the entertainment produced for those millions for the benefit of the thousands-- not a logical artistic choice. If the TV/film producers want to "canonize" particular elements from the novels, they can do so obliquely by including those elements in the shows and movies. That provides the benefits you allude to without the drawbacks I've mentioned. It's happened before.

Canon doesn't matter a whole lot, anyway. Who cares what's more "real" within a fictional construct? If the novels are entertaining Star Trek stories, that's really all that matters.
 
It's a perfectly valid question, but the answer also makes a good deal of sense. For one, Star Trek has always primarily been a film and television property, and it's not realistic (or pragmatic) to expect the writers to be automatically familiar with every novel, comic book, video game, etc. that's ever written--and nor does it suit their purposes to be limited on TV or film by something that was published in a book.

Second, just about all of those books, comics, games, etc., are created not by Paramount/CBS, but by a licensee (Pocket Books, IDW, etc.) and so they aren't necessarily positioned to be creating "official" content with everything that they produce.

For that matter, even those in charge of "canon" don't always get it right, so it doesn't make tremendous sense to complicate things even more.
 
^ Licensed content is official content. Star Trek novels published by Pocket Books and Star Trek comics published by IDW are "official" Star Trek products.
 
Licensed products are officially Trek products, but they are not part of what is considered canon by Paramount simply because they are products of someone other than Paramount. Theye are simply considered ancillary products which bring in revenue for the studio and for the licensees.

The original Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual is a good example. A licensed product, but not "true." Consider the Barbara Hambly novel, "Ishmael," which ties in Trek to Columbia Pictures' "Here Come the Brides." Published by Pocket as a licensed, official Trek novel, but not canon in any sense of the word. Even Shatner's "Starfleet Academy" novel isn't in the canon.

It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.
 
The flip is also that if the novels were considered 'canon', so the TV producers knew they wouldn't be able to contradict them if they wanted to, they'd likely place a lot more restrictions on the writers to not do certain things 'just in case' they wanted to use a character in a different way at another time.

And it doesn't really matter. As far as I'm concerned, the books offer the definitive account of the universe. Like David says, they're official products. That some TV guy might contradict something said in a book at some point in the future really doesn't bother me.
 
*reads first sentence. breathes sigh of relief*

*reads second sentence. reads third sentence*

*runs screaming into the night*
 
It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.
If we're going to talk about money-making schemes, we might point out that Lucasfilm reaps the reward of people who consider their involvement in the books a sign of caring, rather than a sign of awareness that they can make more money if people who care about canon think the Star Wars books "count."
 
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Before I start, yes, i know what canon is, and yes, i know that the Star Trek novels aren't considered canon.

What perplexes me more is why this is still the case. In fact, why it was ever the case. I simply don't understand the reasoning behind the decision to draw a great big line between Star Trek TV and Star Trek literature.

Because "canon" does not mean "real" or "right" or "superior." It isn't a value judgment. It simply means the original body of work, as distinct from derivative works based upon it. Period. Trek literature is not part of the Trek canon for the same reason that Greenland is not part of the continent of North America -- because it just plain isn't, by definition. Making Greenland part of continental North America would require redefining the word "continent" into something much broader and vaguer than its technical meaning, and the exact same goes for the word "canon."

Surely what the novelists come up with would be of great benefit to the canon? For example, the recent Terok Nor trilogy adds great insight into what becomes DS9. So why not make it canon?

Canonical works are not forbidden from using concepts from licensed works. They can borrow from whatever they want, and have done so. The sixth movie borrowed Sulu's first name Hikaru from the novels of Vonda McIntyre, and the upcoming movie is apparently using the first names that McIntyre gave to Jim Kirk's mother and father. A late DS9 episode or two borrowed a couple of Klingon exclamations and oaths ("Kai," "Kahless's hand") from John M. Ford's The Final Reflection. Jeri Taylor incorporated elements of Janeway's backstory from her novel Mosaic into "Coda" and other episodes. ENT borrowed its specifics of Andorian culture and environment from a role-playing game supplement.

But it needs to be the canon creators' choice whether to use tie-in material or disregard it, because it's their universe, their property. We tie-in authors are just borrowing their toys, following their lead. If they believe that our works can enhance their creation, then absolutely nothing is stopping them (aside from the gross impracticality of keeping current with all the tie-ins when they're very busy making new filmed Trek of their own). But they have the right to disregard what's in a tie-in if that's what serves their creative needs better.


This topic has had a greater voice for me after several of the series (in fact, is it all now?) have had a literature 'relaunch'. Surely this carrying on of canon opens the door for the novels to be regarded in the same way?

It isn't a carrying on of canon, because the canon is the original body of work, the shows and movies. It's a carrying on of continuity beyond that canon.

(In some cases, a canon can incorporate works in more than one medium if those works are under the control of the same creator, such as the Straczynski-plotted Babylon 5 novels and comics or the Whedon-written and -supervised Buffy Season 8 comics. But since ST has come from multiple creators, the canon is defined more in terms of medium -- and is subject to redefinition by subsequent creators. Jeri Taylor considered her VGR novels to be canonical, but her successors did not. Another myth about canon is that it's fixed and self-consistent.)

And again, it is totally untrue that there's anything preventing the creators of new canonical Trek from using material from the novels. They have every right to do so if that's what they choose to do. Nothing is stopping them. But they have the right to come up with their own ideas, and they don't have the time to read every Trek novel and comic ever written.

Surely Star Trek is Star Trek?

Star Trek movies and TV series are seen by millions and millions of people. Star Trek novels and comics are read by maybe 1-2 percent of that audience. Trek lit is a sidebar, a little something extra for those who care about it. It's a sidebar that's as good as we can make it, and it's flattering when our readers wish it could be more. But there's just no way it can ever be on an equal footing with filmed or televised ST.
 
The flip is also that if the novels were considered 'canon', so the TV producers knew they wouldn't be able to contradict them if they wanted to, they'd likely place a lot more restrictions on the writers to not do certain things 'just in case' they wanted to use a character in a different way at another time.

To be fair that was how the Star Wars: Expanded Universe was for a time. Now, when Lucas decides he wants another project, the canonness of the EU can be changed to suit his needs. I think the same would be called into play for Trek if they would have gone this route. But since it's a TV show there would have been a lot more contradictions. I think that was why the novels aren't canon.

But, I have to admit, if Paramount would ever do a continuation series in TNG era post the events of Destiny in the novels I think it should be included in the canon if it's going to be as awe inspiring as all of the group based hype has been.
 
It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.

Explain to me, exactly, how what Shelly Shapiro does for Del Rey and Lucasfilm is different than what Marco Palmieri, Margaret Clark, and Paula Block do for Pocket and CBS?
 
It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.

Explain to me, exactly, how what Shelly Shapiro does for Del Rey and Lucasfilm is different than what Marco Palmieri, Margaret Clark, and Paula Block do for Pocket and CBS?

STAR WARS was created to be a self contained, essentially finite story by one person who is still alive and who, personally, decides what's "in" and what's "out."

STAR TREK, while conceptualized by Gene Rodenberry, was created by numerous people over decades for consumption as serial fiction. It has no end and no single arbitor who can wave a wand to say what's in. It's far easier to say what's out which is anything that's not on film.

If ANY of the books or comics or video games becomes part of the canon, any subsequent makers of Star Trek are LOCKED INTO whatever happened in the new material. That's fine for Lucas because he is the deity of a monotheistic faith.

Trekkers are pantheistic whether they know it or not.

Maybe this will help
 
It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.

Explain to me, exactly, how what Shelly Shapiro does for Del Rey and Lucasfilm is different than what Marco Palmieri, Margaret Clark, and Paula Block do for Pocket and CBS?

STAR WARS was created to be a self contained, essentially finite story by one person who is still alive and who, personally, decides what's "in" and what's "out."

STAR TREK, while conceptualized by Gene Rodenberry, was created by numerous people over decades for consumption as serial fiction. It has no end and no single arbitor who can wave a wand to say what's in. It's far easier to say what's out which is anything that's not on film.

If ANY of the books or comics or video games becomes part of the canon, any subsequent makers of Star Trek are LOCKED INTO whatever happened in the new material. That's fine for Lucas because he is the deity of a monotheistic faith.

Trekkers are pantheistic whether they know it or not.

Maybe this will help

In my haste to respond to the post about Lucasfilm's supposed "guidance" of the Star Wars books, I may have left a false impression. I'm not arguing that Star Trek books should be canon. Thank god they're not, as they're allowed to be much more interesting the way they are. What I was arguing was the idea that Lucasfilm shows more of an interest and "cares" more about their books. Shelly Shapiro works for Del Rey, who publish the Star Wars books, and she oversees the books published in order to maintain a consistent and quality product, much as our pals Marco, Margaret, and Paula seem to do for CBS and Pocket.

I will take issue with your statement that Lucas personally decides what's "in" and "out" in his universe though. Lucas takes approximately zero interest in the fiction being published with the Star Wars moniker on it. He stated recently that they weren't part of "his" universe, and he gleefully ignores it. You won't find an anti-Star Wars screed here, but this impression that Lucas reads and approves everything really has to stop, 'cause it's total bullshit.

ETA - Enjoyed the article on canon on your site though.
 
You know...I might not be so hard for the screen/TV writers to be consistent with the books if there was a Star Trek Book Encyclopedia, or some such thing. Come to think of it, NO writer would ever get lost in miscontinuity ever again!

Alas, it probably wouldn't sell very well, now that the Golden Age has come and gone.:(
 
Explain to me, exactly, how what Shelly Shapiro does for Del Rey and Lucasfilm is different than what Marco Palmieri, Margaret Clark, and Paula Block do for Pocket and CBS?

STAR WARS was created to be a self contained, essentially finite story by one person who is still alive and who, personally, decides what's "in" and what's "out."

STAR TREK, while conceptualized by Gene Rodenberry, was created by numerous people over decades for consumption as serial fiction. It has no end and no single arbitor who can wave a wand to say what's in. It's far easier to say what's out which is anything that's not on film.

If ANY of the books or comics or video games becomes part of the canon, any subsequent makers of Star Trek are LOCKED INTO whatever happened in the new material. That's fine for Lucas because he is the deity of a monotheistic faith.

Trekkers are pantheistic whether they know it or not.

Maybe this will help

In my haste to respond to the post about Lucasfilm's supposed "guidance" of the Star Wars books, I may have left a false impression. I'm not arguing that Star Trek books should be canon. Thank god they're not, as they're allowed to be much more interesting the way they are. What I was arguing was the idea that Lucasfilm shows more of an interest and "cares" more about their books. Shelly Shapiro works for Del Rey, who publish the Star Wars books, and she oversees the books published in order to maintain a consistent and quality product, much as our pals Marco, Margaret, and Paula seem to do for CBS and Pocket.

I will take issue with your statement that Lucas personally decides what's "in" and "out" in his universe though. Lucas takes approximately zero interest in the fiction being published with the Star Wars moniker on it. He stated recently that they weren't part of "his" universe, and he gleefully ignores it. You won't find an anti-Star Wars screed here, but this impression that Lucas reads and approves everything really has to stop, 'cause it's total bullshit.

ETA - Enjoyed the article on canon on your site though.

I'm always happy when new data presents. If Lucas says now that he couldn't be bothered, that, too, is his prerogative as the god of his universe.

I don't know anything about Ms. Shapiro or her oversight of the Star Wars EU but, if the implication is that the Trek editors don't care, I'm here to tell ya that's horseshit.
 
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I'm always happy when new data presents. If Lucas says now that he couldn't be bothered, that, too, is his prerogative as the god of his universe.

I don't know anything about Ms. Shapiro or her oversight of the Star Wars EU but, if the implication is that the Trek editors don't care, I'm here to tell ya that's horseshit.

Absolutely not. The trek editors on these boards and everywhere else have always presented themselves as putting a great deal of themselves into the work they produce. I'm sure it's no accident that the majority of the acknowledgment pages in recent books single out either Clark or Palmieri for high praise. They do a fantastic job.
 
the Golden Age has come and gone.:(
To quote Col. Sherman Potter of the 4077th M*A*S*H*: "Bull-hickey." The Golden Age has come upon us. The Bronze Age of the eighties and the Silver Age of the nineties have passed. The Golden Age of the noughties is in its heyday.
 
Again, it's a matter of practicality.

"Wait! Cut! We have to rewrite the script of our million-dollar tv episode because it contradicts p. 17 of some book by Greg Cox . . . . "

Never going to happen.
 
It's just a licensing deal to exploit the Star Trek resources. Enjoy the novels if you can, but remember that no one at Paramount cares enough to guide them the way that Lucasfilm guide the Star Wars books. It's all just a money-making scheme.

It's well done trollbait, but it relies too much on the usual suspects (not caring, all about money, Lucasfilm is God), and it lacks any idiosyncratic bad spelling or grammar. Needs work if it's going to be memorable.
 
Again, it's a matter of practicality.

"Wait! Cut! We have to rewrite the script of our million-dollar tv episode because it contradicts p. 17 of some book by Greg Cox . . . . "

Never going to happen.

Of course not. Only Peter David gets that kind of treatment.
 
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