Star Trek movie soundtracks - 5.1?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by JPG and Spock, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. JPG and Spock

    JPG and Spock Ensign Red Shirt

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    I am a fan of surround sound music and was wondering if we will ever see a ST movie soundtrack released in 5.1? Obviously the movies are in 5.1 on bluray and the soundtracks have been released in 2.0. Are there original tapes available and more importantly any interest to do a 5.1 release of ST:TMP or WoK for example? They did a Lord of the Rings soundtrack release in 5.1 so it can be done.
     
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  2. Grant

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    What are the benefits of surround sound for the score?
    Do you hear different instruments from different speakers do you get the simulation of being in a concert hall?
    Surround sound for the movie itself places the dialogue or the sound effects in certain locations to follow the action but why would a musical score need to have a surround sound?
     
  3. JPG and Spock

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    With 5.1 music releases like the Beatles White Album deluxe set, they mix the various instrument tracks to all the speakers, like putting the drums up front, piano in the back, voice in the center, etc. With orchestra music I think it’s more challenging to make a 5.1 mix. For those older Star Trek soundtracks, I have no idea how many mics were used to record the orchestras but I imagine they were making a stereo mix from 2 or more. For the Lord of the Rings surround sound set, the experience is like sitting in the middle of the orchestra - specific instruments are not channeled out certain speakers. Overall, listening to the music is more immersive that way.
     
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    Seems highly unlikely. There is precedent though; there are surround sound releases of various symphonies, as well as the aforementioned LOTR sets.

    I'd be absolutely interested.
     
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  5. JPG and Spock

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    Even if technically feasible, it will probably come down to interest and if someone thinks they can make some money off it.
     
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  6. David cgc

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    The original release of the Nemesis soundtrack also came out in some sort of short-lived high-def audio format, but I'm having trouble remembering the specifics.

    Ah, here we are. It was the Super-Audio CD format. It appears it was a 5.1 sound mix. As far as I can recall, though, it was the only Trek soundtrack to get that treatment. At least it was a Goldsmith, though not his best.
     
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  7. JPG and Spock

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    Interesting. There is one for sale on eBay right now. I never knew that existed, but I also doubt my Blu-ray player can play SACD. And as you said, not a super memorable score for me anyway.
     
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  8. IronWaffle

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    I’d forgotten about this release. Looks like it fetches to premium a penny for my taste now. Those interested in the release can find more details about it here: https://www.sa-cd.net/showreviews/698


    As a fan of surround music, I’d buy any of these soundtracks in surround. That said, I find it very unlikely. I’m not remotely expert enough to go into huge detail or explain tidily but live orchestral recordings aren’t quite “assembled” in the a similar way The Beatles, R.E.M. or other “pop acts” with 5.1 or ATMOS releases. Acts like that can create surround after the fact because various bits of the music are often recorded separately or placed on separate tracks that are mixed later. That gives more options (particularly when talking 8+ tracks).

    Modern orchestras are sometimes miked for surround but back in the day it would depend on how the microphones were set up for the performance. I’d bet that TMP is the most likely candidate in terms of how it was recorded but. Maybe it could be finessed but I doubt it. Even if possible, I’d bet punch-ins and other edits would stick out. I’m pretty sure none of the other TOS films could be done but I’m guessing. Maybe some of the TNG. The Kelvin films are most likely to have enough tracks and some isolated stems for certain bits and pieces that they could do something. Of course, this would all be for a small slice of a small market. LotR has some massive 5.1 releases but those scores have a larger market. Maybe @Indysolo can offer some insights.

    While not Jerry Goldsmith or James Horner,
    Deutsche Gramophone released some guy named Leonard Bernstein conducting the complete symphonies of some dude named Ludwig something not long ago. It’s a great set and it’s all hi res stereo (which TMP could be released as) AND 5.1. These recordings were not made with modern surround in mind but this video is a cool window for plebes like me to see how the sausage is made surround. No, it’s not “discrete” like many would want ideally but it can be impressive. It’s certainly more engrossing than wonky AVR algorithms.



    As long as I’m prattling on, there are some excellent 3.0 surround mixes on RCA going back to the 50s. In fact, Sinatra, Nat King Cole and some other Capitol artists even did studio albums in that format. Those have mostly been folded down to stereo, but select titles can be found on boutique labels.

    No, it’s not for everyone. Yeah, some of it is gimmicky but lots of it is subtle and when played through a properly setup system (even a modest one) in a decent room it *can* really add to the musical experience.

    Anyone interested in surround music (3.0, quad, 5.1, ATMOS) can find a vibrant community, polls and a solid list of rankings at quadraphonicquad.com

    Okay. LLAP, folks.
     
  9. Indysolo

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    It's not unusual for film scores to be recorded with surrounds. I remember working on "Basic Instinct" which I cut in LCR (3-track stereo) and Bruce asked me where the surrounds were. Later when I produced "Total Recall" I made sure to cut the surrounds as well, but we didn't use them. Later when I worked on "The Russia House" isolated score I made sure to pull the 48-track scoring masters so we could have a 5.0 track, except with that one, Bruce didn't mix discrete surrounds. The best laid plans....

    Anyway most of the early Trek scores were recorded LCR. You could synthesize surrounds for sure and have pleasing results. But then you could just as easily play the stereo albums in Dolby Pro-Logic II's Music mode and get a similar effect. This is what I tend to do.

    Neil