Star Trek: Horizon-Full Film

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Captain Trekkie, May 24, 2019.

  1. Captain Trekkie

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  2. Maurice

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    1. Old news. Shared here before years ago.
    2. Generally, the mods don't like topics where we just drop links (this ain't Facebook). So, @Captain Trekkie, how about starting a conversation? Why did you share it and what did you think of it?
     
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  3. Captain Trekkie

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    Sorry I'm new here. I didn't know they don't like it as there are fan works I want to share here slowly, slowly. But I got a couple of ST fan films in my ST fan films playlist and thought it would be of interest here. I'll be more careful next time, although there are conceptual fan works I wanna share here that i'm pretty sure hasn't been shared.
     
  4. Reanok

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    I really like this fanfilm alot it gave the Enterprise era series the kind of story we wanted to see about the Earth/Romulam war.
     
  5. Maurice

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    Well, the larger point isn't that it's been discussed before, because topics come up again and again here. Heck, you could dig up an episode of Hidden Frontier and start a new topic on it. :) It's just that you did a drive-by link-drop without starting a conversation. So <pulls up chair> tell us your thoughts on Horizon.
     
  6. jespah

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    Yes! Let us know whatcha think.
     
  7. Captain Trekkie

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    OK i'll dig out the episodes and tell you what I think. :-) Thanks for suggesting. Just give me a few days to do so. I'll also be careful of not posting stuff that's already been posted.
     
  8. Maurice

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    No no. You can revive topics! Just let's discuss!
     
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    Right. Will discuss soon.
     
  10. StametsFungi

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    It was a while ago when I watched it so I can’t remember specifics. I do remember enjoying it but the sound quality was horrible, I was straining to hear a lot of the time. Great special effects etc though, it was apparently done by one guy too, that guy is going places.
     
  11. Captain Trekkie

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    And now paramount has lega
    Legally prohibited it. Talk about creativity.
     
  12. Maurice

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    What does that even mean?

    Bad audio kills a production for me. Sound trumps picture, and an audience will forgive ugly, lousy photography over bad sound.

    Couple the bad sound with visuals processed with neon vaseline and it became unwatchable for me.
     
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  13. Captain Trekkie

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    Sorry, I meant Paramount has legally prohibited it. The production of fan films.
     
  14. JD

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    No they haven't, all they did was set up guidelines that tell people what they can do in their fan films without getting sued. You don't even have to follow the guidelines, but if you don't and CBS finds out, then there's a better chance you will get sued.
    CBS also isn't the one who "legally prohibited" fan films, technically they have always been illegal, or at least of questionable legality, it's just that CBS and other companies had been willing to turn a blind eye to what they were doing, until Alec Peters finally went to far and pretty much forced them to sue him.
     
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    1. Paramount doesn't own the Star Trek franchise any more
    2. CBS does
    3. What @JD said
     
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    Huh, I sure don't see a single mention of them being prohibited.
     
  18. Maurice

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    Oh look, a YouTube video, that proves everything!

    Look, we've been discussing this topic for years here. The facts are these:
    1. CBS-Paramount haven't pulled out the big guns since Axanar
    2. Yes, CBS has advised a few people (e.g. Tommy Kraft) to step away from something big, but...
    3. They've also allowed things like Temporal Anomaly to come out after some minor adjustments
    4. What the guidelines did was stop the "arms race" of fanfilms raising megatons of money and trying to play film-films instead of fan works. (The guidelines' bits about costumes and props is to stop people from making cottage industries out of making materials for sales to fanfilms and to protect the companies that paid good money for legit licenses to manufacture such things.)
    For those maybe newer to this topic, let me explain why the guidelines do not guarantee you won't be sued: because CBS would be stupid to do so. People always look for loopholes and end-runs to push beyond the boundaries. Almost as soon as the guidelines were announced there were people here speculating how far they could push the guidelines or how many they could ignore and not get slapped down. So by saying, "abide by these and you probably won't get into trouble with us" they've drawn the line but preserved their right to slap down anyone who violates the spirit of the thing or exploits a perceived loophole.

    And many fanfilms have been released in the years since the guidelines (Potemkin has released 387,436 of them, or that's what it feels like). And you know what? Mostly they're back to being fanfilms instead of being pretenders to be webseries or a "pilot".

    To summarize, all this has done is:
    • halted the arms race
    • stopped people trying to build careers using IP they don't own
    • curbed people from trying to filch tons of money from fans for the above and to pay for their sushi
    I don't see that as such a terrible outcome, given that CBS could just have thrown the C&D hammer at the entirety of Trek fanfilmdom and shut it all down.
     
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    Everything Maurice said is fact. The studio has no desire to stop fans making films. It’s a pity some folks are hellbent on suggesting otherwise.
     
  20. Maurice

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    I suppose it's more satisfying to play victim, just as Gene R. did by demonizing NBC.