Star Trek Experimental Concept c2275

[Patrickivan]

Here’s an idea I’ve been toying with for some time now. It's inspired from a FASA ship- that I can't recall the class and I'm not running down to the basement to get my book.

It’s sharp angles are contrasting to the soft cylindrical secondary hulls we’re used to. I’ve decided that it has two purposes. The first is to create a low sensor profile, making it seem smaller then it really is. It’s also more difficult to target during combat.

The saucer and nacelle are presently just place-holders to giver an idea of scale.

The saucer will possibly be a classic TMP type, or a variation of that. I haven’t decided yet. The nacelles will also more then likely be a standard TMP era design.

Input is welcome of course... I'm trying to decide how I want to work the lower section of the nacelle struts. I want them to be more a part of the super structure, then lead up into a more classic look.

Any thoughts?

 

[publiusr]

I really like that aft 3/4 shot. It might be nice to combine it with these two ideas
http://zeroroom.squarespace.com/gallery/enterprise-concept-two/
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?75820-Another-Connie-Re-design/page13

The best part about it is that there are secondary hull extensions to either side. This allows for weapon and sensor mounts, which would allow the primary hull to be lowered. Having the phto-torp launchers above the nav dish means the saucer has to have clearance. A lowered saucer looks more aggressive. The Grey LadyTMP/TOS hybrid had Excelsior type tubes in the secondary hull itself.

I'm all for having the secondary hull be busy-as with Gabe's TOS redesign.

 

[Kaiser]

I think its the Remora class you based it on

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Here’s an idea I’ve been toying with for some time now. It's inspired from a FASA ship- that I can't recall the class and I'm not running down to the basement to get my book.

I don't recall a FASA ship having the faceted secondary hull.

On the other hand, in the square-bound book "Starfleet Prototypes," there was the USS Starstalker, which supposedly had a faceted secondary hull as a way to more effectively deflect incoming fire.

A quick websearch showed this... which is not a perfect representation of the ship from the book (which is much nicer) but it gives the general idea.

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-Trek-Ships/Federation_USS_Starstalker.htm

and the principle ortho views are reproduced here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47430326/Star-Stalker-5-View

or here

http://trebuchestarships.blogspot.com/2010/03/starstalker.html

and a couple of nice rendered shots can be found in these spots:

http://www.chrisjonesgaming.info/index.php5?title=Starstalker_Class

http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Starstalker_class

Anyway, the explanation here is similar to the one you've given, below, so I suspect you might have been thinking of this ship?

It’s sharp angles are contrasting to the soft cylindrical secondary hulls we’re used to. I’ve decided that it has two purposes. The first is to create a low sensor profile, making it seem smaller then it really is. It’s also more difficult to target during combat.

The saucer and nacelle are presently just place-holders to giver an idea of scale.

The saucer will possibly be a classic TMP type, or a variation of that. I haven’t decided yet. The nacelles will also more then likely be a standard TMP era design.

I've decided that I'm going to have to build my own nacelles for the Ariel. I was really hoping I'd be able to find someone who'd created a "top quality" nacelle set I could just borrow and modify, but so far, no luck.

That said, I'm going to create my LN-64 series nacelle as a "family table part," meaning that I can turn features on and off or just adjust certain dimensions, all in a single "part" which has numerous "child instances" which can be created by it.

This means, I'll only have to do a single LN-64 "base" nacelle, and I'll be able to make a port, starboard, center, or "solo" nacelle, and have whatever "control reactor" I want (top or bottom, front extent and rear extent) at any time from a single model. It'll be a lot of work up-front but it'll save me a ton of time in the future, I think. I've really been DREADING making an LN-64 nacelle... it's way too "artsy" and not functional enough (the guy who designed it, who was NOT A. Probert by the way, was going for an "art deco" appearance, after all!)

Input is welcome of course... I'm trying to decide how I want to work the lower section of the nacelle struts. I want them to be more a part of the super structure, then lead up into a more classic look.

You mean you want "body" out to a certain point, then only a short element of "fin" leading up to the nacelle?

 

[Patrickivan]

I really like that aft 3/4 shot. It might be nice to combine it with these two ideas
http://zeroroom.squarespace.com/gallery/enterprise-concept-two/
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?75820-Another-Connie-Re-design/page13

The best part about it is that there are secondary hull extensions to either side. This allows for weapon and sensor mounts, which would allow the primary hull to be lowered. Having the phto-torp launchers above the nav dish means the saucer has to have clearance. A lowered saucer looks more aggressive. The Grey LadyTMP/TOS hybrid had Excelsior type tubes in the secondary hull itself.

I'm all for having the secondary hull be busy-as with Gabe's TOS redesign.

Having weapons there might be handy, but certainly not what we're accustomed to seeing. Then again, neither is my secondary hull... As for being 'busy', I don't know- I've always been partial to simple clean elements.

I think its the Remora class you based it on

That's it- but like I said, it was just an inspiration. The sharp tapering lines.

Here’s an idea I’ve been toying with for some time now. It's inspired from a FASA ship- that I can't recall the class and I'm not running down to the basement to get my book.

I don't recall a FASA ship having the faceted secondary hull.

On the other hand, in the square-bound book "Starfleet Prototypes," there was the USS Starstalker, which supposedly had a faceted secondary hull as a way to more effectively deflect incoming fire.

A quick websearch showed this... which is not a perfect representation of the ship from the book (which is much nicer) but it gives the general idea.

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-Trek-Ships/Federation_USS_Starstalker.htm

and the principle ortho views are reproduced here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47430326/Star-Stalker-5-View

or here

http://trebuchestarships.blogspot.com/2010/03/starstalker.html

and a couple of nice rendered shots can be found in these spots:

http://www.chrisjonesgaming.info/index.php5?title=Starstalker_Class

http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Starstalker_class

Anyway, the explanation here is similar to the one you've given, below, so I suspect you might have been thinking of this ship?

It’s sharp angles are contrasting to the soft cylindrical secondary hulls we’re used to. I’ve decided that it has two purposes. The first is to create a low sensor profile, making it seem smaller then it really is. It’s also more difficult to target during combat.

The saucer and nacelle are presently just place-holders to giver an idea of scale.

The saucer will possibly be a classic TMP type, or a variation of that. I haven’t decided yet. The nacelles will also more then likely be a standard TMP era design.

I've decided that I'm going to have to build my own nacelles for the Ariel. I was really hoping I'd be able to find someone who'd created a "top quality" nacelle set I could just borrow and modify, but so far, no luck.

That said, I'm going to create my LN-64 series nacelle as a "family table part," meaning that I can turn features on and off or just adjust certain dimensions, all in a single "part" which has numerous "child instances" which can be created by it.

This means, I'll only have to do a single LN-64 "base" nacelle, and I'll be able to make a port, starboard, center, or "solo" nacelle, and have whatever "control reactor" I want (top or bottom, front extent and rear extent) at any time from a single model. It'll be a lot of work up-front but it'll save me a ton of time in the future, I think. I've really been DREADING making an LN-64 nacelle... it's way too "artsy" and not functional enough (the guy who designed it, who was NOT A. Probert by the way, was going for an "art deco" appearance, after all!)

Input is welcome of course... I'm trying to decide how I want to work the lower section of the nacelle struts. I want them to be more a part of the super structure, then lead up into a more classic look.

You mean you want "body" out to a certain point, then only a short element of "fin" leading up to the nacelle?

I don't envy your task (or mine) in making that nacelle, it's such a pain in the ass. I've tried it before and ended in frustration. I think I know what to do now that I've got more experience. Funny your statement about the nacelle design. I was just reading about that the other day... And how he incorporated a specific element from that nacelle design onto the neck even though it wasn't his nacelle. I thought it was a nice thought even though he wasn't a huge fan of some parts of that nacelle.

As for the nacelle struts, you've got it right. My issue that needs to be worked out is how I want the part of the body to stick out from the side of the ship without making it look ungainly. I need to come up with a good reason first, and go from there. Let the form come from the function.

 

[publiusr]

Having angular nacelles rather like Phase II designs might be a faster way out.

 

[Patrickivan]

Having angular nacelles rather like Phase II designs might be a faster way out.

I may just try them first.

Here's a little update. I've included the main shuttle deck (because it was quick and easy) and popped in a shuttle I've been working on. It's a short range officers and executive type shuttle that sits 12 on nice comfy seats! I just put it in for a sense of scale.

The secondary hull is quite narrow and is really a bare bones utilitarian work space. No crew sleeping space. No arboritums. Just a shuttle deck/ supplies storage/ fuels/ engineering/ deflector control.

You can see the channel for the roll down doors above. The yellow stipes are just safety markers. Bright for incoming/ outgoing equipment.

The saucer in place.

 

[publiusr]

I like the layered saucer you were doing on your other project. You might want to try that one. The primary hul with a lot of layers might balance your detailed secondary hull with all its facets.

 

[Irishman]

As a piece of art, you've got a balanced start there.

I would slightly taper the left and right sides as they approach the fore of the secondary hull, on its way to what I assume is going to be a deflector dish?

 

[Patrickivan]

I like the layered saucer you were doing on your other project. You might want to try that one. The primary hul with a lot of layers might balance your detailed secondary hull with all its facets.

Thanks. I'm still working on that one. Pretty close to finishing.

Maybe a saucer similar to one of the Excellsior studies?

As a piece of art, you've got a balanced start there.

I would slightly taper the left and right sides as they approach the fore of the secondary hull, on its way to what I assume is going to be a deflector dish?

Thank You

It is indeed the deflector- unorthodox compared to the circular and future oval ones, but I wanted it to fit the look of the angular hull...

As for your taper suggestions, I'm not quite following you on that. Do you mean the section what would traditionally be the neck? Taper that area in or out? I don't think I'm describing that well... hmm...

 

[Irishman]

I was simply referring to the secondary hull foremost section itself.

 

[Patrickivan]

I've come back to this one. Worked on the nacelles, connecting pylons and impulse. I like how this one looks... And my attempt at TMPish styled nacelles is coming along nicely.






http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/nx001-a.png

 

[publiusr]

That is quite rakish. I wonder if you might be interested in a faceted saucer hull now. I think justicar had some nice ideas from Diane Carey's novel that didn't lok as chunky as the cover art. perhaps more sides--though that looks really nice as is.

Then too, it needs to be smooth for emergency re-entry, so there is that.