ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclusive!
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Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Oooo.... Very Cool...
Can't wait.
Oooo.... Very Cool...
Can't wait.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
That's neat.
That's neat.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
The storyboards are online now, available on THIS PAGE of Forgotten Trek!
The storyboards are online now, available on THIS PAGE of Forgotten Trek!
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
^^Neat. Except the thumbnail on the far right of the third row leads to a "not found on this server" message.
^^Neat. Except the thumbnail on the far right of the third row leads to a "not found on this server" message.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
I'm confused by these. There's no Kirk in it for the most part, no memory wall, no Kirk being attacked by swarms; it seems to mostly resemble the version that was in the finished film, with Spock going out alone, and seeing the giant Ilia with the sensor.
Which script were these boards from?
I'm confused by these. There's no Kirk in it for the most part, no memory wall, no Kirk being attacked by swarms; it seems to mostly resemble the version that was in the finished film, with Spock going out alone, and seeing the giant Ilia with the sensor.
Which script were these boards from?
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
He never claimed they were of the memory wall. These are clearly storyboards for the Spock Walk version.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
^^That's right. In those panels where it seems like there are two spacesuited figures, that actually represents Spock moving between two positions within the shot, as the accompanying description indicates.
But that means the thread title, which calls them "Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards," is inaccurate. That would be the source of the confusion.
^^That's right. In those panels where it seems like there are two spacesuited figures, that actually represents Spock moving between two positions within the shot, as the accompanying description indicates.
But that means the thread title, which calls them "Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards," is inaccurate. That would be the source of the confusion.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Actually, it is confusing, because some of the storyboards seem to have been made for when it was still the Memory Wall sequence (you can see the memory wall in this storyboard and the older spacesuits in this one; in the latter, Kirk is visible too). Apparently, after the Memory Wall sequence was rejected and they went with the Spock's Spacewalk that ended up in the final film, Mr Negron was again called upon to storyboard the sequence, and most of the storyboards are from that.
Actually, it is confusing, because some of the storyboards seem to have been made for when it was still the Memory Wall sequence (you can see the memory wall in this storyboard and the older spacesuits in this one; in the latter, Kirk is visible too). Apparently, after the Memory Wall sequence was rejected and they went with the Spock's Spacewalk that ended up in the final film, Mr Negron was again called upon to storyboard the sequence, and most of the storyboards are from that.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Are you sure about that? The one that has the two figures most clearly seems to have a very different hairstyle on the figure at the back, more resembling Kirk.
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Folks,
Here's the deal --
I acquired some artwork from BOTH versions of the scene. Ottens has all the artwork I got on his site.
The frames with the honeycomb looking stuff in them (which IS the memory wall -- compare these art frames to the real set pictures also found at Otten's site and you'll see how it goes together) -- that Spock melds with...and the big round spheres that Spock and Kirk see in one frame are from the Memory Wall sequence. The one of Spock's head with the sensor bees flying by his head are from the Memory Wall scene. The one of Illia and the floating "bit" are from the Memory Wall sequence.
The memory wall was actually a surface on the face of one of the big floating "memory spheres" that are described in the storyboards. Imagine Kirk and Spock floating through a tunnel on V'Ger following this floating glowing "bit" into another big chamber with these huge floating "Memory spheres" in them. They thruster over to one of the memory spheres and Spock mind melds with one after being presented with the stored representations of the 3 Klingon ships, Epsilon 9, and finally -- Illia. None of that was in the Trumbull version.
Live action frames of some of the closeups can be found at Otten's site. Since none of the visual effects were completed for the sequence, only the storyboards can fill in some of the gaps. Which is why I place so much importance on the storyboards. They are the only visual representation of how the scenes might have looked once completed (or intended to look). Unless there is something stored in a vault at Paramount that I -- and others -- do not know about.
And yes, there is one of Kirk and Spock that is also from the Memory Wall sequence...
I'll resend the artwork to Ottens with labels on it as to what is what...maybe that will clear things up.
But -- bottom line -- the artwork is from both versions of the scene.
Folks,
Here's the deal --
I acquired some artwork from BOTH versions of the scene. Ottens has all the artwork I got on his site.
The frames with the honeycomb looking stuff in them (which IS the memory wall -- compare these art frames to the real set pictures also found at Otten's site and you'll see how it goes together) -- that Spock melds with...and the big round spheres that Spock and Kirk see in one frame are from the Memory Wall sequence. The one of Spock's head with the sensor bees flying by his head are from the Memory Wall scene. The one of Illia and the floating "bit" are from the Memory Wall sequence.
The memory wall was actually a surface on the face of one of the big floating "memory spheres" that are described in the storyboards. Imagine Kirk and Spock floating through a tunnel on V'Ger following this floating glowing "bit" into another big chamber with these huge floating "Memory spheres" in them. They thruster over to one of the memory spheres and Spock mind melds with one after being presented with the stored representations of the 3 Klingon ships, Epsilon 9, and finally -- Illia. None of that was in the Trumbull version.
Live action frames of some of the closeups can be found at Otten's site. Since none of the visual effects were completed for the sequence, only the storyboards can fill in some of the gaps. Which is why I place so much importance on the storyboards. They are the only visual representation of how the scenes might have looked once completed (or intended to look). Unless there is something stored in a vault at Paramount that I -- and others -- do not know about.
And yes, there is one of Kirk and Spock that is also from the Memory Wall sequence...
I'll resend the artwork to Ottens with labels on it as to what is what...maybe that will clear things up.
But -- bottom line -- the artwork is from both versions of the scene.
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Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
No, it WAS a Kirk/Spock spacewalk (at least one version). But, as I pointed out to Nick --the scene starts off with just Spock. Kirk joins later. Recall the dialogue from the director's cut where Kirk, on the bridge says after learning Spock has stolen a thruster suit -- "That's Spock...damn him! Get a fix on his position!". We next see Kirk suiting up in a white spacesuit and exiting the ship telling McCoy "I don't want him stopped!" etc. After Kirk is attacked by the "V'Ger sensor swarms", he joins Spock after Spock phasers them off Kirk. Some of the storyboard frames represent the part of the memory wall scene where Spock was alone (before Kirk arrives) and other frames are from the scene as shot by Trumbull later.
David Negron Sr. worked for Robert Abel and Associates on the FX and then when they were fired he stayed on and did storyboards of the scene the way Trumbull wanted it (since the whole scene was re-conceived).
So, again, we have art from both versions on the site.
No, it WAS a Kirk/Spock spacewalk (at least one version). But, as I pointed out to Nick --the scene starts off with just Spock. Kirk joins later. Recall the dialogue from the director's cut where Kirk, on the bridge says after learning Spock has stolen a thruster suit -- "That's Spock...damn him! Get a fix on his position!". We next see Kirk suiting up in a white spacesuit and exiting the ship telling McCoy "I don't want him stopped!" etc. After Kirk is attacked by the "V'Ger sensor swarms", he joins Spock after Spock phasers them off Kirk. Some of the storyboard frames represent the part of the memory wall scene where Spock was alone (before Kirk arrives) and other frames are from the scene as shot by Trumbull later.
David Negron Sr. worked for Robert Abel and Associates on the FX and then when they were fired he stayed on and did storyboards of the scene the way Trumbull wanted it (since the whole scene was re-conceived).
So, again, we have art from both versions on the site.
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Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Nick, those links aren't working -- I get a "Forbidden" message when I click on them...?
Nick, those links aren't working -- I get a "Forbidden" message when I click on them...?
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Oh, damn that. Direct linking to images is disabled to prevent image-leeching.
The first link was supposed to go to the same image you posted in the first post of this thread, the second is this one:
Oh, damn that. Direct linking to images is disabled to prevent image-leeching.
The first link was supposed to go to the same image you posted in the first post of this thread, the second is this one:
Re: ST:TMP Kirk/Spock Spacewalk Storyboards -- A Forgotten Trek Exclus
Okay, I see now. I appreciate the effort to relabel the storyboards to keep the two versions separate.
Okay, I see now. I appreciate the effort to relabel the storyboards to keep the two versions separate.