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Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - Starships and Technology Season Four Discussion

After looking at some of my saved SNW Enterprise diagrams from the same extreme angle, I think Griffin looks like she's of similar proportions. Deck count and cross section details also seem to also line up, I think she's another Constitution.

Or maybe Sombra class, did we ever see a cross-section of the that ship? I can't remember if she was supposed to be smaller, or just had fewer crew.
 
When they showed the Enterprise towing the Peregrine at the end of the episode, they looked identical in shape and size (and I suspect the whole point of having a not-a-Constitution that looked like a Constitution was so they could reuse the cargo bay virtual set and other assets).
 
^^^ That and it's a sneaky way of allowing them to have more Connie-not-Connie's in-dialogue and on-screen without breaking the future-canonical "There are only 12 like it in the fleet" statement Kirk made to Capt. Christopher (pre-"Ultimate Computer", of course) of the class of vessel Enterprise belongs to.
 
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Well... :lol: yeah, I guess the logical gyrations could be worked to fit that concept. Never thought of it like that, but yes, it could be interpreted that way.
 
If we're told that she's a different class and with NCC-1067, does that imply Constellation NCC-1017 might be of the same class?
^^^ That and it's a sneaky way of allowing them to have more Connie-not-Connie's in-dialogue and on-screen without breaking the future-canonical "There are only 12 like it in the fleet" statement Kirk made to Capt. Christopher (pre-"Ultimate Computer", of course) of the class of vessel Enterprise belongs to.
If there are several outwardly identical starship classes that also reduces the unlikely odds that Enterprise just happened to encounter over half of her sister ships in TOS.
 
If we're told that she's a different class and with NCC-1067, does that imply Constellation NCC-1017 might be of the same class?
Now this is a theory I like! Perhaps the Sombras were test-bed Connies, experimenting with new propulsion and hull designs, but not entirely "complete", or being refit from older spaceframes, much like the E-nill was in TMP. I wonder if that's what they're angling for, with those lower registry numbers.
 
I have seen the preview images for this week's episode. It looks like the Griffin is going to be somewhat of a new design, a truncated version of the Enterprise with bulbous nacelles.

I know you mean the green diagram La'an is looking at, but you're making me think of this old chestnut.

And here's the picture of the apparent USS Griffin:

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That same diagram was used for the Enterprise in Episode 1, it's not a different design. Looks like the diagram is either being stretched, or maybe the angle of the screen is distorting it.
 
Any comments about this Engineering Hull cross-section? Direction of the facing of the Engine Room is forward, so, do we assume the Engine Room in TOS is also this direction, too?
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I think it was discussed when the full version was shown last season.
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^^^ That and it's a sneaky way of allowing them to have more Connie-not-Connie's in-dialogue and on-screen without breaking the future-canonical "There are only 12 like it in the fleet" statement Kirk made to Capt. Christopher (pre-"Ultimate Computer", of course) of the class of vessel Enterprise belongs to.
12 like it in the fleet after all these other ones have crashed or blown up
 
Interesting, in the close up image, the Torpedos and Phasers are in the wrong spots on the saucer, compared to the ship's exterior model (they've swapped places),


however they are correct in a cross section we see from further way.
Or at least the labels are correct, it's too far away to tell if the actual cutaway has been fixed.


Both also have torpedo launchers in the neck (or something that resembles it), when the external model does not have torpedo launchers in the neck.
 
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If Kermit and/or Miss Piggy show up, (or Statler and Waldorf), I'm all in. Animal only if he's the bad guy.
 
NCC-1057?

Otherwise, we're confusing her with the Tikhov.

So this is the second time a registry for a previous ship in DSC was reused for a completely different ship (the first was the USS Giacconi NCC-316608 becoming the USS Miyazaki.) This can't be just a coincidence.
 
For the latest episode, the USS Griffin appears to be a Constitution-class ship, Alvarez (NCC-1701/13) is a Stamets-type shuttle, and we have a new starship type, the Thorn-type, which is represented by the USS Thorn. There is a reference in Rose Harper's bio to the USS Exeter (NCC-1672).
 
The subtitles read USS Thorn. I liked that peek at what was probably a Starfleet tug, but which could also be this "Division 12" ship. Like the USS Kelcie Mae, it's neat that we have both "traditional" Starfleet designs while sprinkling in some outside-the-box designs, versus some other eras of the franchise where anything goes.

More notes from 4x02:

- Division 12 was also mentioned last season as the guys that look into weird space stuff like the one Ortegas got sucked into. The only other Starfleet division we know about (not Section) is Division 14, who go around collecting Starfleeters who were victims of weird space stuff (ref: Lower Decks).

- See? Shuttle transporters! Why no one thinks of using them whenever "transporters are down"?!

- Quickly mentioned is "the MLK", which I presume means the USS Martin Luther King that La'an may have served aboard, and how she had a transporter accident involving people being shunted to, and then not being retrievable from the transporter buffer.

- They even make sound effects like the transporters from "The Cage". I know this shimmering SFX is heard elsewhere in this show, but they really crank it up for its use here.

- The whole negative ions = ghosts thing is an actual thing. Spock stops short of whipping up a proton pack though, whose genesis in "Ghostbusters" was meant as a logical reason of using positively-charged particles to contain a ghost.

- The Engineering set finally returns as the engine room of the USS Griffin. The shuttlebay (also a virtual set) may be new though, I don't think we've seen the clamshell doors from the inside before on this show.

- I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that all the "Discovery" props and such have been sold off, but this would've been a great time to see the older uniforms in use again. I'd suggest that they were in the current uniforms as a hallucination, but La'an does see her Griffin counterpart in the current uniform in the logs.

- The USS Griffin's class is not firmly established. There is a fuzzy graphic at the top of the episode that lists assorted specs and her last mission, but it's too blurred to make out. Crew of ~300, we don't really know what the Enterprise's crew count is following her most recent refit at the beginning of the show but in DSC it was firmly established as its "Cage" level in 2259. That doesn't MEAN the Griffin isn't a Connie, as the Enterprise bounced to 430 in TOS possibly 500 in TMP, and back to 300 by TUC. There's ample space for all these people regardless.

- While an hallucination, La'an seems to believe a transporter can be set to beam a subject "into" itself, effectively killing them. She also believes Uhura can solve this by resetting the transport-in-progress and containing the subject in the buffer.

- While an hallucination, Kirk seems to believe that random rocks can easily smash a hole in the front viewscreen of a Constitution-class starship. He also thinks that a brother being hurled into a decompressing hole will result in a gruesome disembowelment very reminiscent of a 1998 sc-fi movie.

- Nurse Chapel gets a new uniform variant, and it doesn't seem to fit well. But skirts are returning...

As an aside, I'm not pleased that there wasn't a sci-fi explanation for the Griffin being all "Event Horizon" (they even played into the "you belong to the ship" theme from that movie). I understand that not everything HAS to be explained by subspace fissures or time travelling aliens or whatever, but here the only conclusion for this situation is "oh, the ship's haunted", followed by a shrugging of shoulders and moving on. At least the Event Horizon was all because she attempted wormhole-based FTL travel and ended up transiting into a dimension of evil.

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