ST 3: ST's equivalent of Skyfall..?

[Roald]

The parallels between the James Bond 'reboot' are very apparent...

Star Trek (2009) was like Casino Royale... Praised for being different, breaking away from traditions, polarizing fanbases but being appealing to new audiences...
STID was like Quantum... Good, but not as good as the first one (judged by Rotten Tomatoes score, general consensus, not my personal opinion per se), and where STID didn't fare as well as ST domestically, Quantum didn't fare as well as CR internationally...

Both CR and QOS made an equal amount of money, much like ST and STID...

Then came Skyfall...

For the record:
CR made 599 international...
QOS made 586 international...

Skyfall made 1,108..!!! It doubled both domestically and internationally..!

It may have had something to do with Bonds anniversary, well... ST 3 will also be released with ST's 50th anniversary..!

The parallels are there... I'm really hoping Skyfall's success is an indication for ST 3....

 

[serenitytrek1]

may be ...hopefully so.

however Trek 3 needs to get excellent reviews.

 

[ComicGuy89]

I too, thought of the parallels between the reboot James Bond and Trek.

Hopefully, with some new blood or newfound enthusiasm, the next Star Trek movie will reach heights that the franchise has never been before. I liked the previous two movies but who wouldn't want a movie that is truly great and ambitious?

 

[shapeshifter]

Fascinating comparisons. Hope the similarity's continue.

A reason for concern may be ST3 not having enough time for the spit and polish it needs for truly big time success. ID had four years, can it be topped in only three years while dealing with a [possible] change of director and reshuffling of the writers?

 

[Roald]

Fascinating comparisons. Hope the similarity's continue.

A reason for concern may be ST3 not having enough time for the spit and polish it needs for truly big time success. ID had four years, can it be topped in only three years while dealing with a [possible] change of director and reshuffling of the writers?

I think 3 years should be enough. I think the 4 it took STID was actually abnormally long. It took 3 years for The Empire Strikes Back to come after Star Wars, and that film is just about the greatest sequel ever made, so I do think 3 years should be enough.

 

[Opus]

Interesting parallels to be sure. If anything, between the parallels drawn between Trek and big franchises like Bond and Batman, Star Trek is sure in great company!

It'll come down to the story, though. It always comes down to the story.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It would be nice if Star Trek 3/XIII was as huge as Skyfall. But I must admit, after this early talk of them turning to the director of G.I. Joe 2, my hopes aren't nearly as high as they were after the '09 movie. :-/

Also, here's a pretty cool Youtube video this thread reminded me of:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL7cII2Cmzk[/YT]

 

[BillJ]

may be ...hopefully so.

however Trek 3 needs to get excellent reviews.

Into Darkness got excellent reviews and still had a tough time because of so much competition. Regardless of quality, if Trek 3 has an Iron Man on one side and a Fast and the Furious on the other, it will struggle to make a billion dollars as well.

 

[Opus]

^^They haven't decided on a director, so don't get too ahead of yourself just yet. Internet chatter has never proven to be exactly reliable.

 

[Kruezerman]

Quantum failed because it was so erratic with it's action, ID was significantly better. But, I can see the parallels and I hope it to be true.

 

[ComicGuy89]

Quantum failed because it was so erratic with it's action, ID was significantly better. But, I can see the parallels and I hope it to be true.

I agree. In this aspect of the comparison, Into Darkness was a significantly more enjoyable movie than Quantum of Solace. I thought Into Darkness was excellent, but Quantum, less so.

I think one thing that should be noted about Skyfall is that despite being a critically and financially acclaimed movie, it remained unapologetically reboot Bond. People were complaining that Casino Royale and Quantum strayed too far from classic Bond tropes, such as less gadgets, supervillains or class, but Skyfall marched on unperturbed and made the reboot style work. It did this through strong characterization and addressing the core of what Bond is about. This is what I hope the next Trek movie will be, something that fully embraces the reboot style yet makes it work in a way that is distinctively Star Trek. Not try to pander to classic Trek while missing the point.

 

[Talosian]

I don't care. I enjoyed both Trek 09 and Into Darkness.

It makes me sad that fans of all movie franchises are obsessed about not just box office numbers but financial minutiae as they are today. It wasn't always thus.

It's not the place of fans to judge movies aesthetically by the cold criteria of the market. That's a business decision. Let's not mix these two categories together.

 

[ComicGuy89]

I don't care. I enjoyed both Trek 09 and Into Darkness.

It makes me sad that fans of all movie franchises are obsessed about not just box office numbers but financial minutiae as they are today. It wasn't always thus.

It's not the place of fans to judge movies aesthetically by the cold criteria of the market. That's a business decision. Let's not mix these two categories together.

These details are not important of course, but it's still great to see Trek succeed. It doesn't need to succeed financially to be a good movie but it's really nice icing on the cake, I think.

Can we imagine a Trek movie that breaks the billion dollar barrier? It would be so enticing to the producers that CBS might immediately greenlight a new TV series.

 

[Roald]

I don't care. I enjoyed both Trek 09 and Into Darkness.

It makes me sad that fans of all movie franchises are obsessed about not just box office numbers but financial minutiae as they are today. It wasn't always thus.

It's not the place of fans to judge movies aesthetically by the cold criteria of the market. That's a business decision. Let's not mix these two categories together.

Obsessed is too great a word. But one of the best things about being a fan is looking foreward to something new... That excitement, the first news, the first picture, trailer.. The only way to get that feeling again is when ST is succesful enough to ensure new ST to be made... If STID had bombed, a third film may not have been greenlit at all... So yes, the financial numbers are definately an important factor.

 

[serenitytrek1]

Quantum failed because it was so erratic with it's action, ID was significantly better. But, I can see the parallels and I hope it to be true.

I agree. In this aspect of the comparison, Into Darkness was a significantly more enjoyable movie than Quantum of Solace. I thought Into Darkness was excellent, but Quantum, less so.

I think one thing that should be noted about Skyfall is that despite being a critically and financially acclaimed movie, it remained unapologetically reboot Bond. People were complaining that Casino Royale and Quantum strayed too far from classic Bond tropes, such as less gadgets, supervillains or class, but Skyfall marched on unperturbed and made the reboot style work. It did this through strong characterization and addressing the core of what Bond is about. This is what I hope the next Trek movie will be, something that fully embraces the reboot style yet makes it work in a way that is distinctively Star Trek. Not try to pander to classic Trek while missing the point.

BINGO.......

 

[T'Cal]

I thoroughly enjoyed STID, more so than ST09, which was very good but had too many plot holes. STID was much tighter and I saw it as a successful homage to TWOK rather than the rip-off that others saw. I hated to see Pike die but it made sense for Kirk to have his father figure get murdered for Jim to grow into his role as captain. I loved the scene on the ship with Kirk, Spock, and Uhura when she accuses Spock of being unfeeling and the Vulcan tells her that he is quite the opposite. The humor was appropriate and very successful, something that was rarely done well in TNG's films. Flipping around the roles in the ship-saving scene worked great especially with the lines that were fated to be spoken by someone involved. It all worked for me.

As for the next film, I agree with those who are a bit tired of the formula that includes monster ships, bad guys who want to destroy Earth, and mass destrruction of major cities with no mention of or concern for the people in the crumbling skyscrapers. The best stories have always been the "damned if you do/damned if you don't" stories in which our heroes have to resolve a very difficult moral dillema. I'm no writer so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Workbee]

Having a substantial chunk of the story carried by an actor the caliber of Dame Judi Dench didn't hurt either.

 

[Konata Izumi]

Bring in Stewart to die at the end. I think the message might get a bit backwards though :P

 

[MacLeod]

With regards to the Craig Bond films there is no denying that "Casino Royale" reinvigorated the franchise and was well received. So perhaps it exceeded expectations. WHen QoS comes around it is following one of the better bond films so perhaps all it can do is dsissapoint as expectations are high. With QoS being slighly dissapointing expectations are lower for "Skyfall" so perhaps all it can do is suprise.

Yes Skyfall does have it's faults but it's an al together tighter movie tha QoS focusus on the characters rather than the action.

 

[Cyrus]

Hopefully ST3 will be more fun and not as gloomy as Skyfall. I did like Skyfall but it's not my ideal James Bond movie. Maybe they should have called it "James Bond Into Darkness".