The new movie tells us that in the year 2387 of the prime continuum, Romulus was destroyed and the Romulan Empire was devastated by a freak supernova. Now there have been other depictions of this era in other Trek shows, including TNG "All Good Things", DS9 "The Visitor", and VOY "Timeless" and "Endgame." My question is, could the cataclysmic events of 2387 as related in ST XI have occured in the versions of the Trekverse's near future seen in the past?
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Romulus is mentioned by name in "All Good Things", which is a shame because it would have made perfect sense if the Klingons had annexed Romulan space in the wake of the disaster. I don't think there's a mention of Romulus in "Endgame" and I don't remember any of the others well enough to say.
It's easy enough to say that in these alternate futures, either Spock stopped the supernova in time or the supernova itself didn't happen. The STO novel The Needs of the Many postulates the Hobus supernova was the result of botched weapons testing, or something like that, which may never have been performed in the other realities.
IIRC Enterprise's Daniels menioned that the Klingons were in his (Daniels isn't from the TOS/TNG/etc future) 31st century Federation, but the Romulans don't get a mention beyond him telling Archer to put a book about them down in a library on ruined 31st century Earth.
It's easy enough to say that in these alternate futures, either Spock stopped the supernova in time or the supernova itself didn't happen. The STO novel The Needs of the Many postulates the Hobus supernova was the result of botched weapons testing, or something like that, which may never have been performed in the other realities.
IIRC Enterprise's Daniels menioned that the Klingons were in his (Daniels isn't from the TOS/TNG/etc future) 31st century Federation, but the Romulans don't get a mention beyond him telling Archer to put a book about them down in a library on ruined 31st century Earth.
Really? I've not heard that before now. Can you give me any more details?
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I'm afraid not, since I haven't read the book yet, and Memory Beta seeingly hasn't been updated about it yet. My info's second hand, from another thread. Sela was involved somehow, and whatever they did doesn't explain what happened (according to Countdown, the Hobus star isn't the Romulan one, and the supernova's explosion had to have been dozens of light-years across in every direction and happened at FTL speeds to have done what it did. A bit like how the Praxis shockwave somehow affected Excelsior in Federation space in STVI
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I'm afraid not, since I haven't read the book yet, and Memory Beta seeingly hasn't been updated about it yet. My info's second hand, from another thread. Sela was involved somehow, and whatever they did doesn't explain what happened (according to Countdown, the Hobus star isn't the Romulan one, and the supernova's explosion had to have been dozens of light-years across in every direction and happened at FTL speeds to have done what it did. A bit like how the Praxis shockwave somehow affected Excelsior in Federation space in STVI
)Man, it seems like the Romulans get a tough break in any future. It's possible that someone was able to prevent the supernova, possibly with red matter black holes even. Obviously that future didn't come to pass, and it was so altered that the Enterprise-D never crashed on Veridian III. It seemed to be far more self-contained of a timeline that Q was presenting to Picard.
Another possibility to consider is that the Romulans could eventually rename another planet as Romulus at some point after the loss of the original. Conceivably, it would be the homeworld of the Second or New Romulan Empire, but the Romulans may not even bother to call it that.
In such an instance, those various alternate futures in TNG, DS9, and VOY could all still have included the destruction of the original Romulus, but the loss of the original homeworld need not mean the end of the Romulan Empire itself, IMO.
In such an instance, those various alternate futures in TNG, DS9, and VOY could all still have included the destruction of the original Romulus, but the loss of the original homeworld need not mean the end of the Romulan Empire itself, IMO.
That's the great thing about Star Trek. There always are ... possibilities 
Definitely possible and might also explain how the Klingons had conquered the Romulans. But somehow this reminds me of when people said the Qo'noS seen in Enterprise was a different planet with the same name, which just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't understand why you'd call it the same thing. Why not Romulus 2, New Romulus, or something that doesn't even involve the name Romulus?
It could be as simple as a case of Romulan pride or arrogance: "Romulus is forever."
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