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Spider-Man: One More Day, One Moment in Time and Joe Q

coolghoul

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I know there will be people who will actively not want to open this thread after that subject title.

But I'm not beating the dead horse, in this case. Joe Quesada, (Editor In Chief, Marvel) has a new interview (with more details coming tomorrow) which seems to be saying that Peter and MJ never made the deal with the devil in OMD based on the events that are covered in O.M.I.T. (One Moment in Time).

Link to the interview at Comic Book Resources - http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28545

It's more than a little confusing to me.

First, the implications to Spider-Man's universe - if no deal was made and all the changes happened due to a 'slightly' different set of circumstances (a different domino tumbling way back when) and all that, then Peter and MJ never made a deal with the devil (since that time line is gone). But then it also means, that Mephisto is free to intervene in their lives all over again since Mephisto's promise to MJ also unravels. Also it doesn't keep continuity canon since there are tons of things that happened in the past where MJ was Peter's wife (it might be something as simple as him meeting her in Denver as they are crisscrossing from NY to LA in opposite directions or it might be losing their daughter at the end of the Clone Saga (wasn't it?) or something else...). Pretty much every story since the marriage unravel will happen differently now since the marriage has unraveled. That means that all the xx years of continuity is still vapor - we only know the Peter-MJ-married version of past events - not the version that happened when Peter and MJ didn't get married. Doesn't this make the previous years of comics at least somewhat meaningless? But Joe Q states that they never wanted to negate previous comics. How does he imagine that the previous comics are still in-continuity when the past has unraveled that far back?

Second - the editorial differences - I am confused with what Joe Q is saying in this interview. JMS and Joe Q have both given detailed interviews in the OMD trade. In that trade, Joe Q takes all the credit/blame for this storyline in his interview. JMS says (in his interview) that he tried to do the best that he could of what amounted to an editorial mandate and rightly so - since he doesn't own the characters.

But in this latest interview JoeQ is saying that JMS just went contrary to all editorial mandates and that he had to rework things and all that.

This is pretty confusing to me. Does anybody have a page where all the editorial/writer viewpoints/interviews are linked to so that people can actually follow who-said-what-when?

(And I know that I really shouldn't bother since this will make my head hurt in the short and long run, but I'm still curious as to the changing positions by Joe Q and JMS on what were the real-life goings-on on how OMD came to be).
 
Wow. I've not been following Spidey, nor particularly care since OMD. But just... wow. That sounds like Quesada throwing JMS under the bus, trying to have his no-more-marriage without Peter and MJ making a blatant deal with the devil.

Editor Saving Throw? I somehow doubt it's going to work...
 
I wonder if somewhere up the chain, Disney?, Joey Q is having to answer for such lackluster and falling sales on Spidey. Sure the occasional bump but AMS is so far off of even where other books are trending that its noticeable.

Sounds like Joey Q is trying to have his cake and eat it to while throwing as much as he can against the wall to see what might stick.
 
I wonder if somewhere up the chain, Disney?, Joey Q is having to answer for such lackluster and falling sales on Spidey. Sure the occasional bump but AMS is so far off of even where other books are trending that its noticeable.

Sounds like Joey Q is trying to have his cake and eat it to while throwing as much as he can against the wall to see what might stick.

Where does one go for numbers on sales?

I think earlier Spider-man storylines used to be one of the most popular from Marvel (along with X-men) in terms of sales. But I don't know how true that impression of mine was and is.


Edit - Went searching and found comichron.com - Per this article, Spider-man is still the most popular character as of August (the other stories are either events (brightest day) or team titles (Avengers)).
 
I see ASM has had a rebound. Earlier this year ASM had dipped as low as 53K an issue. I guess the Gauntlet story arc has peaked some interest. It did get very, very low. Check out March 2010 sales on ASM. That shows where my comment was coming from. Cap and Thor were outselling Spidey.
 
I've already posted my views on this...butchering of the character and his supporting cast by Joe Q who wishes to continue to live in the 70's in terms of the character and will refrain from any more rants.
 
JoeQ has accomplished one thing that I wouldn't have thought possible. He made me happy to walk away from Spider-Man books altogether without a single regret or a second look back.
 
Actually the Brand New Day stuff and after has been quite well-done, and I'm saying that as someone who liked the old status quo and intensely loathed Back in Black and One More Day. As bad as the transition was, it's been followed by something worthwhile.
 
Sorry but most of the first year of OMD wasn't well done. I know we did it around here briefly but the falling sales figures(faster than peer books also) showed ASM was losing ground quick. No memorable villains were created, most were obvious riffs on classic Spidey rogues. Negative is the only one of promise and he himself is from the mold of a Tombstone/Rose/Hammerhead.

The last year did get better but it had no choice from where the quality level started.
 
I wonder if somewhere up the chain, Disney?, Joey Q is having to answer for such lackluster and falling sales on Spidey.

One, we are currently in a recession. Two no one at Disney gives a shit about sales, they bought Marvel for the intellectual properties not for the dismal publication department. Same goes with Warner Bros and Dan Didio who everyone has been swearing up and down since 2007 that he'll be out of a job any minute.
 
It's really mind-boggling to me that they didn't work out such an important storyline in more detail before they actually started producing the issues. I know that you sometimes have to play things fast & loose in monthly comics, but what Quesada relates about "One More Day" just sounds like terminal disorganization to me.
 
I gotta disagree as well. My view has always been that most of the stories aside from the romantic stuff Peter is involved with could have been still told while being married. Aside from the relationship stuff I see nothing that could not have been told by breaking up the marriage. Joe Q grew up with Peter single and "that parker luck" and so using an editorial mandate slammed that down our throats which is of course his right to do but he's turned away so many long time Spider-Man fans in doing so.

I have read the stories and while I like the majority of them for me it always comes down to how are most of these different from when he was married?
 
Just read the lastest ish, and am confused beyond confuselment.
The Mephisto shit didn't happen? Then why did they show it to us happening? The whole issue is a retcon? Wha?

And why is MJ being drawn as a short zaftig hispanic chick in the "present" scenes?
 
I've actually been reading Brand New Day from the beginning recently--in truth, I've been away from Amazing Spider-man for the past year or so. And as much as I preferred the marriage and disliked how it was dissolved, I now have to admit I'm beginning to see what Joe Q was aiming at. It was a stripping away of a Peter who had matured and more or less had his act together and a return to a character who was once again aspiring to those things, IMO. Call it a marketing decision or simply Joe Q wanting a version of Spidey that he liked, but reading a few dozen issues of ASM consecutively has made me reevaluate some things.

My return to Spidey, though, probably has more to do with the few details released about the upcoming Big Time era and perhaps a change in direction for Peter as well...
 
I'm semi-excited about Big Time as well. @Forbin...I'm not sure what you mean. The Mephisto deal happened, One Moment In Time explains what happened. Peter and MJ think it was just Peter's identity that was messed around with. They have no idea that it was their actual marriage that was affected by it. Mephisto will be appearing in Amazing Spider-Man #648 next month I believe.
 
Just read the lastest ish, and am confused beyond confuselment.
The Mephisto shit didn't happen? Then why did they show it to us happening? The whole issue is a retcon? Wha?

Given how negative the reactions to One More Day were, I suppose this new story is an attempt to walk it back, to say, "Hey, don't worry, let's just say it never happened and never refer to it again." Not that that makes any more sense than OMD itself did, but really, it is best forgotten, even if its consequences remain.
 
I couldn't believe my eyes when i read OMD back then and got a little bit mad at JQ when i read several interviews from him where he tried to explain the reasons behind the reboot.

I also felt a bit sad for JMS for having to do it even though he clearly didn't want to but now JQ tries to shift blame to him? That's low.. really low.

You have to credit JQ for "saving" Marvel back in the late 90s/early 00s when he took over and turned this company around but it seems his head has gotten a little bit too big.

Almost unanimous fan agreement was that OMD is a bad idea and people liked MJ/Peter together because there are few really lasting realtionships in the Marvel universe and many have grown up with this marriage and now just because the boss dislikes it he destroys it (and with a very lame and amateurish storyline).

Now that on general sales have slumped he tries to shift blame while he still can't publicly admit that his ego and his personal opinion have overruled common sense and the comic suffers under it.

Personally OMD was the last i read from Spidey excluding Ultimate Spiderman.
 
I still read Spider-Man I just haven't bought and issue or a trade since JMS's "Sins Past" storyline. That was the last straw for me.
 
Ummm I sort of explained what happened in One Moment In Time in my post. It didn't retcon OMD it explained it further and revealed what happened at Peter and Mary Jane's wedding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Moment_in_Time_(comics)

Thanks, the synopsis helped. I guess reading the issues over a period of months, my retention isn't that great.

So Pete only THINKS Doc Strange is the one who made the world forget his identity, but the deal with Mephisto is the reality.

Either way I've hated the whole thing. It was SO nice to have one superhero (besides the Richardses) with a stable, adult relationship.
 
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