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Speculate: What WERE Cardassian Plans

Photon

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for post war? Assuming the Dominion won and Dukat held on head of the Union.

Remember the little conversation (Sac. of Angels I blv) when Damar told Dukat he'd like to throw that Vorta out of the nearest airlock and his Founder, too.

And Dukat's retort, now now..that's no way to talk about our allies..........for now.
 
I think that Dukat had the idea that once the Dominion defeated the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers that Cardassia would rise up and defeat the Dominion.
 
And of course we shouldn't confuse Dukat's grandiose plans (whether he truly had a long-term vision or not) with the general Cardassian perspective, which was informed by Dukat's leadership but was, I think, definitely focused on short-term goals. The Cardassians knew that they were on the decline - no longer a major power, burning out resource-wise, withdrawing from Bajor and other exhausted systems, further expansion blocked by the Federation, the Maquis challenging their rule in the regions the Federation did give them, the Klingons knocking them down to second-rate (third-rate?) status...To the proud Cardassians, whose worldview is defined by the need for strength, collective discipline and unapologetic acquisition of resources whatever the cost, all this must have been enough for most of them to accept Dukat's agenda for war despite misgivings.

As Damar and Russol discuss in season seven, the average Cardassian soldier apparently got the message that "we would be rulers of the entire Alpha Quadrant", which I imagine translates best into Cardassian-think as "we would once again be secure in our strength, we'd have access to all the resources we could want, no enemy will threaten us...things can be, at very least, like they were prior to this decay and decline". I don't think too much thought was put into the actual details (Cardassian culture is authoritarian, disciplined and dependent on a tight chain of command - why would the average member of society be engaging in abstract pondering on the future? I doubt it's encouraged - what matters is that the leadership has a goal in mind, and you have your part to play in carrying it out. So do it, because if you don't, the structure of society will fall apart, and as all good Cardassians know, the state and its dictatorial powers are the only things keeping Cardassia functional (supposedly). I imagine too that the recent foray into civilian leadership helped the "old guard" accept Dukat's vision of renewed militiarism - after Cardassia's strength was sapped further by (I imagine they'd think) the nonsense of civilians in charge (how very Federation of them!), Dukat's coup must have seemed a step in the right direction. Perhaps the division between those Cardassian citizens wanting greater freedoms and those insistant on support for the traditional model worked in Dukat's favour - the military, so eager to resume supremacy in the minds of the people, might have been focusing more on the civilian-supporters and not on the actual man who was now leading them? A fatal mistake...

Even if that's not the case, I think the (apparent) general acceptance of Dukat's war agenda among the military without any (apparent) long-term vision beyond a vague sense of ascendancy demonstrates one of the biggest weaknesses of the Cardassians' hierarchial mindset - once someone without a rational or sensible vision gets into the leadership role, the structure of their culture makes it extremely hard to pry them out; the inertia of 500 years of dictatorship based on a twisted sense of necessity and service to the people is too strong to resist. I imagine the Cardassian people - the engineers, the soldiers, the minor functionaries - are usually completely content with short-term goals: get this resource to here, do that as ordered, etc, trusting in the commanders to plot the course and see the "big picture" of what must be done and why. In my opinion, we can see the pain and even confusion in people like Damar and Russol as they come to the conclusion that the path they're on is not the right one - and even then, in Russol's case, he still can't make the transition to understanding that Cardassia itself was on the wrong path, he can only fight against the Dominion. Damar is wiser, and as we see in Tacking Into the Wind, he comes to understand that it's not just the Dominion he's rebelling against but his own people's conventions.
 
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And of course we shouldn't confuse Dukat's grandiose plans (whether he truly had a long-term vision or not) with the general Cardassian perspective, which was informed by Dukat's leadership but was, I think, definitely focused on short-term goals. The Cardassians knew that they were on the decline - no longer a major power, burning out resource-wise, withdrawing from Bajor and other exhausted systems, further expansion blocked by the Federation, the Maquis challenging their rule in the regions the Federation did give them, the Klingons knocking them down to second-rate (third-rate?) status...To the proud Cardassians, whose worldview is defined by the need for strength, collective discipline and unapologetic acquisition of resources whatever the cost, all this must have been enough for most of them to accept Dukat's agenda for war despite misgivings.

As Damar and Russol discuss in season seven, the average Cardassian soldier apparently got the message that "we would be rulers of the entire Alpha Quadrant", which I imagine translates best into Cardassian-think as "we would once again be secure in our strength, we'd have access to all the resources we could want, no enemy will threaten us...things can be, at very least, like they were prior to this decay and decline". I don't think too much thought was put into the actual details (Cardassian culture is authoritarian, disciplined and dependent on a tight chain of command - why would the average member of society be engaging in abstract pondering on the future? I doubt it's encouraged - what matters is that the leadership has a goal in mind, and you have your part to play in carrying it out. So do it, because if you don't, the structure of society will fall apart, and as all good Cardassians know, the state and its dictatorial powers are the only things keeping Cardassia functional (supposedly). I imagine too that the recent foray into civilian leadership helped the "old guard" accept Dukat's vision of renewed militiarism - after Cardassia's strength was sapped further by (I imagine they'd think) the nonsense of civilians in charge (how very Federation of them!), Dukat's coup must have seemed a step in the right direction. Perhaps the division between those Cardassian citizens wanting greater freedoms and those insistant on support for the traditional model worked in Dukat's favour - the military, so eager to resume supremacy in the minds of the people, might have been focusing more on the civilian-supporters and not on the actual man who was now leading them? A fatal mistake...

Even if that's not the case, I think the (apparent) general acceptance of Dukat's war agenda among the military without any (apparent) long-term vision beyond a vague sense of ascendancy demonstrates one of the biggest weaknesses of the Cardassians' hierarchial mindset - once someone without a rational or sensible vision gets into the leadership role, the structure of their culture makes it extremely hard to pry them out; the interia of 500 years of dictatorship based on a twisted sense of necessity and service to the people is too strong to resist. I imagine the Cardassian people - the engineers, the soldiers, the minor functionaries - are usually completely content with short-term goals: get this resource to here, do that as ordered, etc, trusting in the commanders to plot the course and see the "big picture" of what must be done and why. In my opinion, we can see the pain and even confusion in people like Damar and Russol as they come to the conclusion that the path they're on is not the right one - and even then, in Russol's case, he still can't make the transition to understanding that Cardassia itself was on the wrong path, he can only fight against the Dominion. Damar is wiser, and as we see in Tacking Into the Wind, he comes to understand that it's not just the Dominion he's rebelling against but his own people's conventions.

Nice. I would be hard-pressed to find anything to quibble about that.
 
Lots of nations have grandiose ideas about being world conquerors with no understanding of how to get there or what to do when they do.

Look at Nazi Germany. Even Hitler who planned his invasion of the Soviet Union for years (he always saw them as an inevitable enemy) never articulated just what would be required to actually "conquer" the Soviet Union.

Was it take Moscow? Was it to reach the Urals? Was to eventually link up with Japan somewhere in the middle of Asia?
 
Knocking out the fighting spirit of the enemy is generally a good way to proceed: the defeated foe will still be left with the burden of ruling his own turf, but will in addition have to bow to the will of the victor and pay tribute of all sorts.

I gather it's not all that difficult to frighten an enemy into submission without actually planting any boots on soil even in the Trek universe. The Feds were quite willing to grovel in front of the Romulan Star Empire even though we never heard of any successful Romulan military operation against UFP holdings. Apparently, a "conquest in being" is as good a weapon as a "fleet in being" in that universe, too.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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