Rather appropriate since Memory Alpha says Koenig joked Chekov kept Khan from waiting to use the loo.
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Rather appropriate since Memory Alpha says Koenig joked Chekov kept Khan from waiting to use the loo.Walter Koenig definitely noticed this in the script, but wisely kept his mouth shut in order to keep a good part they might have instead given to George Takei.
No, no, no, I think the makers of TWOK knew all along what they were doing and had a very good reason to keep Koenig in that part. They did their TOS homework and knew it cannot be Star Trek without the institutional Chekov Scream Of Agony(TM). They had to have Koenig in a screaming role no matter what.
Robert
Robert
well, khan might have checked a starfleet database at some point between space seed and his wrath. i've never seen g.w.bush in person, but can't forget that stupid face nonetheless. good episode, but the casting of the woman who falls in love with khan was a mistake. embarrasing acting.
Well, one of the points of "Space Seed" was that Khan was photogenic beyond imagination: everybody wanted to see him. Kirk had to shove fans and groupies away from him with both hands and a foot. The odds that Chekov would not have come to say hello to the superman are pretty slim...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Am I the only one that thinks that Lt. McGivers fell for Khan's charms a little too easily? She's just met the guy and she betrays her oath to Starfleet so easily and quickly.
And on the subject of McGivers, it seems a little odd that Starfleet would keep pure historians on their ships. Kirks line of "let's give that historian something to do" implies that this is all she does, as do many other lines of dialogue. Would it not make more sense to have her be a transporter technician, or something, with an interest in history?
Other than that, great episode and I agree with everyone who says that Chekov could have been on-ship, but not on-screen, as is the same with Sulu in this episode.
And Greg Cox! Are you the real Greg Cox, or just somebody's psuedanym? If you're really him, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed your three Khan books.
And on the subject of McGivers, it seems a little odd that Starfleet would keep pure historians on their ships. Kirks line of "let's give that historian something to do" implies that this is all she does, as do many other lines of dialogue. Would it not make more sense to have her be a transporter technician, or something, with an interest in history?
Other than that, great episode and I agree with everyone who says that Chekov could have been on-ship, but not on-screen, as is the same with Sulu in this episode.
And Greg Cox! Are you the real Greg Cox, or just somebody's psuedanym? If you're really him, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed your three Khan books.
Isn't it vice versa? Khan comes aboard, intent on charming everybody with his superhumanly good looks, wit and manners - and is himself wrapped around the finger of a woman who knows her historical figures. Khan may be the partner doing all the manly arm-twisting and posturing, but it's McGivers who gets to tap-dance on his chest, first enjoying his company, then callously betraying him, and then marrying the still love-dazed guy nevertheless.
A woman who gets what she wants that easily would indeed be likely to drop her commitments to Starfleet at her leisure, and pick up other commitments, not paying much heed to what the men around her try to say.
Why would Starfleet settle for a substandard historian? If there really is a need for one, better make sure she's the very best. Clearly the ship is capable of housing hundreds of people with ease: life support is not a critical resource, nor is living space.
Timo Saloniemi
^^^FWIW, an earlier draft specified that McGivers' historian role was in addition to her duties as a control systems specialist or something like that. See the link in my sig to a review of that script.
Sir Rhosis
Sir Rhosis
I've just finished watching the 'Space Seed' and its been ages since I last saw it. We all know that the movie 'Wrath of Khan' was a sequel to this particular episode. Generally speaking it is a good episode and well worth watching over and over.
It may have been a good idea if the makers of the movie watched the episode also, then they would not have made a big error.
In the movie Khan says 'I never forget a face' (or something similar) when he looks at Chekov. How could he remember Chekov when he wasn't even in that episode or any of season 1. ( I will go through the whole of that season later to check it out, but I'm pretty sure that is correct).
Either way for a genetic superman like Khan he comes across a little dense remembering a face that wasn't there!
My God this is a very tired topic! Do you think that no one else noticed this since the movie premiered in 1982???
Very true! The episode has many issues (McGivers' behaviour, the campy fight between Khan and Kirk in the engine room, Kirk giving Khan free reign of the ship's database, etc.) This is likely why the episode never appeared on Top 10 lists prior to The Wrath Of Khan. (I remember The Best of Trek magazine and book series in the 1970s --- this episode never ranked in any Top 10 polls that I can remember.)
The Wrath of Khan, which was excellent, resulted in people putting Space Seed up on a pedestal after 1982 -- where it doesn't belong.
The Wrath of Khan, which was excellent, resulted in people putting Space Seed up on a pedestal after 1982 -- where it doesn't belong.
Lets just say that Chekov came aboard sometime between "Mudd's Women" and "Space Seed". He wasn't aboard for the former since Pavel states he doesn't know who Harry Mudd is in "I, Mudd". That's a 19-episode spread. I'd like to think he came aboard around the time that Rand left, so after "Conscious of the King". In any case, Chekov most probably didn't come aboard earlier than 2367, as he was most likely 18 when he enrolled in the Academy (2363) and was 22 during "Who Mourns for Adonais" (2367)
And Greg Cox! Are you the real Greg Cox, or just somebody's psuedanym? If you're really him, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed your three Khan books.
Thanks! Yep, I'm me. How could I resist a thread on Khan?
No.
Pavel wasn't aboard the ship when Khan was there, as he was still touring with the Monkees!
LOL, that's great!
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