Something that's been bugging me about Endgame

[clever_username]

at the end, starfleet detects the transwarp conduit opening. and lo, a whole effing armada is there to greet the borg. that fast, really? i swear, every other time its always "You're the only ship in the sector, enterprise, go take on those 12 warbirds" or something like that. there's never a fleet just sitting around when the poo hits the fan.


i'm guessing this has been brought up before. if so, i apologize.

 

[exodus]

I haven't watched it in a while but didn't Voyager us the midus array to tell them they were on their way?

None of the Admirals seemed surprised to see them upon their return.

 

[clever_username]

i just watched it last week, and i don't recall any mention of the midas array

 

[exodus]

Then I guess my only other answer is: the closer you get to Earth, the bigger consentration of ships there are. After the other Borg attacks, I don't think Starfleet would continue to leave Earth defenseless.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I'd say after the Dominion war, there was no way they'd leave Earth unprotected. What surprised me was that Admiral Paris was on one of those ships. That struck me so hard that it actually pulled me out of the moment for a second.

 

[exodus]

I'd say after the Dominion war, there was no way they'd leave Earth unprotected. What surprised me was that Admiral Paris was on one of those ships. That struck me so hard that it actually pulled me out of the moment for a second.

That's the exact reason I thought they had used the midus array before coming thru.

I mean, what were the chances?

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

But, if they had contacted the Fleet prior to coming through, no one would have been surprised to see Voyager. They were, in fact, surprised to even see a transwarp conduit opening up right at Earth's backdoor. Remember? They were pulling the red alert status and wanting to know what was going on. They had no idea.

One minute, there's a Borg sphere coming in, and the the next minute Janeway is apologizing for coming home late. No, there's no way... besides, the Borg would have intercepted any transmissions being sent out. I doubt Janeway waned to give away her plan to the Borg. Ya know?

 

[kimc]

^ I also recall her saying something like "sorry we didn't call ahead" and "it will be in my report" so yes it was a total surprise for them.

 

[exodus]

^ I also recall her saying something like "sorry we didn't call ahead" and "it will be in my report" so yes it was a total surprise for them.

Like I said, I haven't seen it in a while but now that you mention it, I do recall that line.

 

[JB2005]

I was under the impression Admiral Paris/Barclay were at SFC rather than on a starship...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets see... I think they said that the conduit colvet was one light year out.

Vulcan is 16 light years away from Earth and it takes 4 days to get there at warp 4 from earth (If the warp scale wasn't readjusted like we had always thought it was before Enterprise dropped the ball.)... 96 hours in four days, 96 divides into 16 "6" times... So 6 hours to head them off at the whole at warp four from Earths doorstop, however, warpfactors are geometrically faster than one another.

I would have imagined more defence platforms more so than star ships, but the nature of a conduit is to carve a usable and reusable tunnel through space which is instantaneous when being reused in the case of TNG Decent but detectable from a distance because of the massive disturbance in subspace from the construction of... Since I'm sure janeway has said that she has been able to detect ships travelling at transwarp but then Voyager couldn't navigate at transwarp speeds if they (Threshold anyone?) see the universe from the perspective of space to transwarp space and transwarpspace to spce.

meh.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I'd say after the Dominion war, there was no way they'd leave Earth unprotected. What surprised me was that Admiral Paris was on one of those ships. That struck me so hard that it actually pulled me out of the moment for a second.

Yeah, that's my guess - Traditionally, Earth is shown as having limited defenses (at least, in the form of actual starships, but maybe there are planetary shields and drone ships or something...), but after the Breen do such a number on the place, they up planetary security practices.

But aren't Admiral Paris and Reg in the Pathfinder control room?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Traditionally earth has no reserve on the homefront because they put everything they have on the Romulan Boarder to back up the neurotically over armed neutral Zone outposts.

After Nemesis, and the collapse combined with the seeming new friendship with the Star Empire... The federation finally knew peace in their time. To whit they didn't know what the frack to do with their war fleet since there was no one left to frak.

 

[Nebusj]

at the end, starfleet detects the transwarp conduit opening. and lo, a whole effing armada is there to greet the borg. that fast, really? i swear, every other time its always "You're the only ship in the sector, enterprise, go take on those 12 warbirds" or something like that. there's never a fleet just sitting around when the poo hits the fan.


i'm guessing this has been brought up before. if so, i apologize.

Well, what you're missing is that the real crisis that week was over in the Galorndon sector, and the poor old USS Indefeasible had to carry on as the only ship in that sector while the main fleet was on deployment near Earth.

 

[nx1701g]

Just watched the episode this morning:

In the episode Admiral Paris orders them to get any ship they have in the Sector to Earth. A scene or two later another Admiral tells him they have 18 ships and more are on the way. Since Earth is the home of the Federation and has several construction facilities in orbit of planets in the system it could be inferred that there were ships there being resupplied or undergoing minor repairs.

 

[freak]

I also agree that there were WAY too many ships in the fleet!!! And they came way too quickly for my tastes..but I think they were surprised to see them though.
I think that the ending was all wrong. I kept asking: wait, that's the end?! ARE U NUTS?! BRING IT BACK DAMMIT! That's not the end..not by my watch!

 

[Fish1941]

at the end, starfleet detects the transwarp conduit opening. and lo, a whole effing armada is there to greet the borg. that fast, really? i swear, every other time its always "You're the only ship in the sector, enterprise, go take on those 12 warbirds" or something like that. there's never a fleet just sitting around when the poo hits the fan.


i'm guessing this has been brought up before. if so, i apologize.

Pardon me for saying this, but you seemed to be taking the amount of time it took for the Starfleet armada to greet the Borg rather literally.

 

[brcarthey]

I'd say after the Dominion war, there was no way they'd leave Earth unprotected. What surprised me was that Admiral Paris was on one of those ships. That struck me so hard that it actually pulled me out of the moment for a second.

he wasn't. he was at starfleet command in the same room from past episodes like "pathfinder."

here's the exchange at HQ when they notice a borg transwarp aperture opening near earth:

ADMIRAL PARIS: What the hell is it?
BARCLAY: A transwarp aperture. It's less than a light year from Earth.
OFFICER: How many Borg vessels?
BARCLAY: We can't get a clear reading, but the graviton emissions are off the scale.
ADMIRAL PARIS: I want every ship in range to converge on those co-ordinates now.
CREWWOMAN: Yes, sir. [/SIZE][/FONT]