So, what happened to the Klingons?

[Eckauskas]

In 'Trials And Tribblations', we see some dialogue between O'Brien, Worf, Odo and Bashir about what happened to the Klingons to incorporate the cranial ridge, with Worf stating he didn't want to discuss it.

Anyone have any theories as to what happened then? Genetic mutation? Evolution? Something else?

 

[od0_ital]

Watch the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise - they had a two-parter ('Affliction'/'Divergence') that dealt with that sort of thing.

I preferred Worf's simple "We don't discuss it with outsiders."

 

[Eckauskas]

Do they actually tell us what happened? Or just hint towards it?

 

[UssGlenn]

they are explicit, the whole point of the episodes was to explain it.

 

[TheGodBen]

Technically, those episodes explain how Klingons lost their cranial ridges in the first place, but we can extrapolate from that how they got them back.

 

[od0_ital]

^

There's a line in the episode that says the ridges would probably return in a few generations. It was a temporary anomaly.

 

[Zeppster]

It's stupid and was better left unexplained. They basically combined the 2 theories that were in the DS9 ep and threw in Soong's work as a reference. It's why so much of Enterprise should just be left unwatched.

 

[TheGodBen]

^

There's a line in the episode that says the ridges would probably return in a few generations. It was a temporary anomaly.

I must have missed that line, I just assumed they found a cure for it 2 centuries later.

 

[Saul]

I believe the novel "forged in Fire" mentions something about this too.

 

[Galileo7]

In 'Trials And Tribblations', we see some dialogue between O'Brien, Worf, Odo and Bashir about what happened to the Klingons to incorporate the cranial ridge, with Worf stating he didn't want to discuss it.

Anyone have any theories as to what happened then? Genetic mutation? Evolution? Something else?

Hope this helps these links should brief you on the Klingons.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingon-foreheads.htm

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingon_evolution.htm

 

[Navaros]

Technically, those episodes explain how Klingons lost their cranial ridges in the first place

I take the view that that episode explains nothing, because it is not canon, since ENT was deliberately made as a show that was not "Star Trek"-branded at the start of its run. I therefore reject the attempt to retcon canonization into ENT. Any fan-made fabrication is equally as valid as the ENT episode's fabrication IMO.

As for the DS9 episode, the writers made the answer to what happened ambiguous on purpose because they thought it was better that way.

 

[eepruls]

I really don't understand all the Enterprise hate all the time. It was a great show and I loved Affliction and Divergence in season four. I thought it was a terrific way to explain the ridges and provide continuity from Soong's work earlier in the season right through to DS9.

 

[Damask]

I really don't understand all the Enterprise hate all the time. It was a great show and I loved Affliction and Divergence in season four. I thought it was a terrific way to explain the ridges and provide continuity from Soong's work earlier in the season right through to DS9.

I found the Enterprise eps to have the same issue I have with some books. They just seem to cram as much references however tenuous into a story. I just found it very fan-fiction like?

 

[Finn]

I really don't understand all the Enterprise hate all the time. It was a great show and I loved Affliction and Divergence in season four. I thought it was a terrific way to explain the ridges and provide continuity from Soong's work earlier in the season right through to DS9.

I found the Enterprise eps to have the same issue I have with some books. They just seem to cram as much references however tenuous into a story. I just found it very fan-fiction like?

That's mostly true for the fourth season. The first three barely had references to the previous shows.

 

[T'Girl]

Watch the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise - they had a two-parter ('Affliction'/'Divergence') that dealt with that sort of thing.

Have to admit that the novel Final Reflection's explanation personally always makes more sense to me than the ENT series explanation. Having pure blooded Klingons (like Worf) and also Klingon - Human fusions (seen in TOS).

Actually the best way to have handled the difference during Trials And Tribblations in appearance between Klingons in the 23rd century and Klingon in the 24th century would have been this, at the begining of the episode (in the 24th century) have Worf look the way he usually does, but when the Defiant arrives in the 23rd century Worf simply looks like a 23rd century Klingon, no one notices or comments. When the Defiant return to the 24th century Worf is back to his standard appearance.

 

[TheGodBen]

I really don't understand all the Enterprise hate all the time.

It makes perfect sense to me. See, I'm a big fan of the show Frasier, and I'm also a bit of a fan of the show Cheers, but I think that Wings isn't that funny and I haven't watched many episodes as a result. Normally, that would be the end of the matter, but since Wings takes place in the same universe as Cheers and Frasier, and Frasier Crane once made an out-of-character cameo on Wings, I can't let it slide and I must let my dislike of Wings be known whenever the subject comes up. I don't care if Wings had several cameo appearances by characters from Cheers, Wings is NOT CANON!

Besides, if Wings was supposed to be canonical they would have named it Cheers: Wings instead of just Wings. That's just obvious.

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[od0_ital]

Watch the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise - they had a two-parter ('Affliction'/'Divergence') that dealt with that sort of thing.

Have to admit that the novel Final Reflection's explanation personally always makes more sense to me than the ENT series explanation. Having pure blooded Klingons (like Worf) and also Klingon - Human fusions (seen in TOS).

Actually the best way to have handled the difference during Trials And Tribblations in appearance between Klingons in the 23rd century and Klingon in the 24th century would have been this, at the begining of the episode (in the 24th century) have Worf look the way he usually does, but when the Defiant arrives in the 23rd century Worf simply looks like a 23rd century Klingon, no one notices or comments. When the Defiant return to the 24th century Worf is back to his standard appearance.

But then we wouldn't have had Worf wearin' that funny little hat!