So the Temporal Commission… Re. Vulcan

[T J]

Guys like Captain Braxton from Voyager and crewman Daniels from Enterprise go around thru time fixing major damage to the timeline. Are we to believe the destruction of Vulcan wasn’t big enough? Did they just drop the ball on this one?

Two Spocks living in the same timeframe and that’s no problem? How do we reconcile this? Was the destruction of Vulcan supposed to happen? How can this be a good thing? Perhaps it was Temporal Poker night…? Thoughts?

 

[Johnnymuffintop]

The main reason to have Braxton and Daniels were to be plot devices. In all likelyhood, if there were to be an incident in the past, it would remain changed and simply branch off into a parallel universe like so: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.massively.com/media/2009/06/startrekuniversetimelineat580.jpg
The only reason we maintain the idea of the "prime" universe is due to the fact that if we just kept jumping around from universe to universe, story would never progress.
The prime universe has, story wise, been run into the ground. So J.J., Orci, and the gang went for a re-envisioning that also involved prime characters, like Spock, and wasn't just a straight reboot.

 

[Mach5]

Braxton and Daniels were invented by Braga and his lackeys while under influence of drugs, alcohol and/or their own famous capacity for imbecilic ideas. Just ignore and stay happy.

 

[number6]

It was an offshoot of Temporal Investigations established in Deep Space Nine..

 

[Mach5]

It was an offshoot of Temporal Investigations established in Deep Space Nine..

Ignore that too

 

[Peter the Younger]

The destruction of Vulcan sent such massive ripples through the timeline that it wiped out not only existence of Braxton and Daniels and their organizations, but altered the Q-level civilization of pan-temporal energy beings the Federation would ultimately become in the year six billion and six. as these beings eventually became so powerful as to affect universal physical law, the change effectively resulted in erasing all knowledge and instances of single timeline time travel from recorded history.

Well, except for Old Spock, cause you know, he's cool like that.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

After a long day of reviewing the final report from their underlings about the Hobis Supernova, the time traveling of Spock and Nero, and Nero's subsequent destruction of the Kelvin and Vulcan, Captain Braxton, Crewman Daniels, and Future Guy agree to go to the local bar and end the day with Cardassian sunrises.

Braxton, Daniels, and Future Guy raise a toast, "Our work is done. It took over 40 years, but the timeline is finally restored."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Guys like Captain Braxton from Voyager and crewman Daniels from Enterprise go around thru time fixing major damage to the timeline. Are we to believe the destruction of Vulcan wasn’t big enough? Did they just drop the ball on this one?

Two Spocks living in the same timeframe and that’s no problem? How do we reconcile this? Was the destruction of Vulcan supposed to happen? How can this be a good thing? Perhaps it was Temporal Poker night…? Thoughts?

Different Universe. Vulcan was never destroyed in the Braxton/Daniels Universe.

 

[The Wormhole]

Guys like Captain Braxton from Voyager and crewman Daniels from Enterprise go around thru time fixing major damage to the timeline. Are we to believe the destruction of Vulcan wasn’t big enough? Did they just drop the ball on this one?

Captain Braxton can only deal with situations that were caused by someone else from 29th century. Since Nero and Spock are from the 24th, Braxton can't do anything about it.

Daniels on the other hand can intervene whenever anyone messes with the timeline. Though from the 31st century, he intervened on plans from Future Guy (who is from the 28th century), the Sphere Builders (26th century) and the Alien Nazis (29th century).

 

[urbandk]

Guys like Captain Braxton from Voyager and crewman Daniels from Enterprise go around thru time fixing major damage to the timeline. Are we to believe the destruction of Vulcan wasn’t big enough? Did they just drop the ball on this one?

Captain Braxton can only deal with situations that were caused by someone else from 29th century. Since Nero and Spock are from the 24th, Braxton can't do anything about it.

Daniels on the other hand can intervene whenever anyone messes with the timeline. Though from the 31st century, he intervened on plans from Future Guy (who is from the 28th century), the Sphere Builders (26th century) and the Alien Nazis (29th century).

Yeah that's right. If Bernard Rasmuffsen (or however you spell his name) can do time travel unmolested, I guess the time police only get involved in their own future.

I think time travel is cheap and overused. I hope to see very little of it in Trek's future.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Since the Abramsverse is an alternate timeline that exists *alongside* the prime one (rather than overwriting it), I doubt the timecops would even care about it.

 

[Franklin]

Since the Abramsverse is an alternate timeline that exists *alongside* the prime one (rather than overwriting it), I doubt the timecops would even care about it.

Right. They may not even know about it. Nothing changed in their universe (the one Spock Prime and Nero came from). Spock Prime and Nero were pulled into a black hole, and that's the end of it on that side. Another universe was created altogether. Even if "our" timecops knew about it, to change that one would be tampering, not correcting.

Heck, the way the future unfolds in that other universe, a change may occur someday that makes it necessary for that future's timecops to go back and make sure Vulcan gets destroyed in order to correct the timeline. Go figure.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

In my eyes, this might very well be how it was "supposed" to happen; Daniels and Braxton et al. finally succeeded in defeating the other factions, and the timeline was restored to the one where Vulcan was destroyed. We've been watching an alternate timeline for the last few decades.

 

[Franklin]

In my eyes, this might very well be how it was "supposed" to happen; Daniels and Braxton et al. finally succeeded in defeating the other factions, and the timeline was restored to the one where Vulcan was destroyed. We've been watching an alternate timeline for the last few decades.

Actually, it could become Bizarro-Trek. Entirely new sets of story possibilities open up. In Bizarro-Trek, Kirk tires to kill the whales so he can save the Earth in his time.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

They might not be able to interfere because of the following:

- The Alternate Reality created by Nero's arrival does no damage to the Prime Timeline. As far as they are concerned, Nero and Spock were destroyed in a Singularity.
- In the Alternate Reality, the 23rd thru 31st Centuries may have played out such that they don't exist.

 

[-Brett-]

*sigh* Voyager and Enterprise.

If you're going to take those series seriously, you'd have to ask the same thing about every time travel story.

Why didn't "Captain Braxton" or "Daniels" stop Kirk from saving the whales? Or stop the Borg from assimilatig Earth's past? Or stop Sisko from going back in time and taking those hostages?

 

[nx1701g]

*sigh* Voyager and Enterprise.

If you're going to take those series seriously, you'd have to ask the same thing about every time travel story.

Why didn't "Captain Braxton" or "Daniels" stop Kirk from saving the whales? Or stop the Borg from assimilatig Earth's past? Or stop Sisko from going back in time and taking those hostages?

Good question. Here's how I always looked at the TimeCops:

They do what's best for the Federation. In some way the destruction of Vulcan enhanced the Federation and made it stronger, thus they didn't bother to save it.

 

[seigezunt]

In my eyes, this might very well be how it was "supposed" to happen; Daniels and Braxton et al. finally succeeded in defeating the other factions, and the timeline was restored to the one where Vulcan was destroyed. We've been watching an alternate timeline for the last few decades.

I like it.

 

[The Wormhole]

Why didn't "Captain Braxton" or "Daniels" stop Kirk from saving the whales?

That particular issue is covered in the comic book Star Trek: The Last Generation. I'm serious.