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So I went to a mega church today.......

Samurai8472

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Let me first start off by saying that I'm Chinese and that I did go to Catholic school till the 3rd grade.

We're not Catholic but my parents thought Catholic school would be a good place to learn some manners etc etc. I do remember singing hymns in the church next door to the school.

Flash forward 18 years to my Cousin's daughter's baptism.

This church was HUGE. It had a gym on the lower level, A nursery, At least 20 small room and a giant dining area, a few Chapel rooms.

There was a coffee shop outside the main auditorium. A circular kiosk with 4 forty inch tv's simulcasting the sermon.

LCD's tv's everywhere you turn. Even using power point to recite something for the Baptism.

It reminded me of that "King of the Hill" episode where the Hills are looking for a new church and wind up at the mega church.

I overheard some of the older Asian aunts and uncle's commenting on the church.

"It's all about money"
 
I don't get all the hate against large churches. I mean, what would you suggest? A maximum size that churches should be allowed to be? Some churches are big simply because they have a lot of members, nothing wrong with that is there?

My church is fairly large, and we have a large building, yet we are not a "mega church" in that we are still of a specific denomination (we're Lutheran) - most megachurches are non-denominational. Our message is definitely not watered-down or anything like that. There's just a lot of people there. But we're as Lutheran as any small church. It's not about entertainment or money.

Don't believe me? Come see for yourself. Linky
 
The Church culture in America is vastly disappearing. In all actuality, Christianity is obselete. Continued traces of it in mainstream society will probably disappear within 50 years.

The structure of Christianity has always been heavily reliant upon well-connected communities which were relatively isolated from commerce and technology. It has also depended upon escapists who, troubled by war or natural disasters, sought psychological relief.

The arrival of home internet and advanced telecommunications - roughly around the year 2,000 - eliminated the isolation factor. The 21st century is also the era of the commercial network, and a time when unprecidented data regarding psychological health is made available to the public. Essentially, the age of the community is over. This is the age of the collective.

This has been met by attempts at increased evangelism and calls for revival in moderately conservative Christian circles, but such efforts have only further isolated them. The only Christian organizations which have been able to survive are those which have reformatted themselves in a more commercially viable manner, through entertainment presentations or other capital-based investments.

In any case, megachurches are for sellouts who want to feel like they are on their way to heaven and also enjoy the luxury of Starbucks. Trust me; I know. I used to be part of a small conservative church that was full of people who actually dedicated their lives to their faith. It didn't sell. It didn't even sell to the children raised in it, much less anybody else.

The only way Christianity will survive is through the revival of an agricultural based global social system. We're talking about far less people and far less technology. The same principle applies to Islam. Take away their farms and give them internet, and Islam will be gone by the next century. Comcast and Wal-Mart are all it takes to end world religion, and Megachurches are one exhibit of that end.

Yep - I'm a bit of a cynic, and this topic tends to drag it out of me. Times are changing, and everyone has to adapt to those changes; part of me is glad to see human progress in action, but I also regret witnessing unique culture and the more simple ways of life destroyed in its trail of discarded artifacts.
 
That sounds terrible. I don't mind big churches at all (I attended Mass yesterday at a cathedral than can seat a couple of thousand people), but it's the extras that totally ruin it. Its church, not a theme park or a community centre* or a place to dump your kids while you're out shopping.

It can be that too, but in the very first place a church is a church, a place for worship and prayer where the focus is on God. This megachurch-business sounds like a place where people should in the first place be happy and enjoy each other's company. Lofty goals, but a church is way beyond that gut feeling of comfort.

All about the money, indeed...:(
 
John 2:13-17 (New International Version)
13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

Jesus' return is going to be pretty awesome. We have flamethrowers now.
 
Let me first start off by saying that I'm Chinese and that I did go to Catholic school till the 3rd grade.

We're not Catholic but my parents thought Catholic school would be a good place to learn some manners etc etc. I do remember singing hymns in the church next door to the school.

Flash forward 18 years to my Cousin's daughter's baptism.

This church was HUGE. It had a gym on the lower level, A nursery, At least 20 small room and a giant dining area, a few Chapel rooms.

There was a coffee shop outside the main auditorium. A circular kiosk with 4 forty inch tv's simulcasting the sermon.

LCD's tv's everywhere you turn. Even using power point to recite something for the Baptism.

It reminded me of that "King of the Hill" episode where the Hills are looking for a new church and wind up at the mega church.

I overheard some of the older Asian aunts and uncle's commenting on the church.

"It's all about money"

1. I would say that your parents reason for placing a non-Catholic into a Catholic school doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense.

2. Perhaps a larger church better serves the community and a basketball court helps kids stay off the street.
 
The Church culture in America is vastly disappearing. In all actuality, Christianity is obselete. Continued traces of it in mainstream society will probably disappear within 50 years.

The structure of Christianity has always been heavily reliant upon well-connected communities which were relatively isolated from commerce and technology. It has also depended upon escapists who, troubled by war or natural disasters, sought psychological relief.

The arrival of home internet and advanced telecommunications - roughly around the year 2,000 - eliminated the isolation factor. The 21st century is also the era of the commercial network, and a time when unprecidented data regarding psychological health is made available to the public. Essentially, the age of the community is over. This is the age of the collective.

This has been met by attempts at increased evangelism and calls for revival in moderately conservative Christian circles, but such efforts have only further isolated them. The only Christian organizations which have been able to survive are those which have reformatted themselves in a more commercially viable manner, through entertainment presentations or other capital-based investments.

In any case, megachurches are for sellouts who want to feel like they are on their way to heaven and also enjoy the luxury of Starbucks. Trust me; I know. I used to be part of a small conservative church that was full of people who actually dedicated their lives to their faith. It didn't sell. It didn't even sell to the children raised in it, much less anybody else.

The only way Christianity will survive is through the revival of an agricultural based global social system. We're talking about far less people and far less technology. The same principle applies to Islam. Take away their farms and give them internet, and Islam will be gone by the next century. Comcast and Wal-Mart are all it takes to end world religion, and Megachurches are one exhibit of that end.

Yep - I'm a bit of a cynic, and this topic tends to drag it out of me. Times are changing, and everyone has to adapt to those changes; part of me is glad to see human progress in action, but I also regret witnessing unique culture and the more simple ways of life destroyed in its trail of discarded artifacts.

What didn't sell? Following Jesus Christ? There's nothing to sell. His love is 100% free.
 
One word: GREED! I hate that it's all about the money. What's the fuck wrong with those people today?! Forgive my language, because I'm catholic. It's just that I find it so damn annoying that it's all about the money. I knew that it has to be greed!
 
I used to go to a huge church, in fact I grew up there. I used to think that my church was the best because we had a very large building and lots of people. I think they're still paying off the loan for the expansion which was almost 20 years ago. :lol:
Anyway, the church seemed to be all about tradition and comfort. Their approach was "Come to church! Find Jesus!" which is the complete opposite of The Great Commission "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation." which you can find in Mark 16:15 and Matthew 28:19

the church I'm at now is very different. we believe that the church is the people, and our meetings on Sunday morning aren't the purpose of the church, but that it's simply a place of encouragement before we go out to our homes and jobs and make a difference in the community.
Jesus didn't keep to his little group of friends. He didn't settle, but went across the cities and towns in Israel telling and showing people that the old ways were about to become useless. The traditions and laws passed to Moses, and subsequently perverted by the Jewish religious leaders are useless now. Jesus did many of his healings on the Sabbath which infuriated the Pharisees and Sadducees, because you weren't supposed to do work on the Sabbath. What began as a portrait of Jesus' coming sacrifice had turned into a convoluted religion which benefited the religious leaders. They made serious money by selling sacrificial animals to people who didn't have their own livestock, and they made rules so that money offerings had to be made in a special currency which they exchanged at horrendous rates. They made outrageous rules about what you could and could not do on the Sabbath etc.
Jesus came and taught that the Old Law would be obsolete, and that you only need to believe in Him and you'd be given eternal life.

Jesus didn't keep to himself or hang out with just the religious leaders. He hung out with hookers, con-men, and society's rejects.
In John 8 the religious leaders brought a woman to Jesus who had been caught in adultery. The law was to stone people to death who had committed adultery, and the leaders wanted to catch Jesus contradicting their precious rules. Jesus was a threat to them. He taught that He was the only way to salvation. To the religious leaders this was absolute heresy. They only new him as a man, and he claimed to be God himself. HERESY!
Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dirt, not really paying attention to the bigwigs, and he said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and he stooped down again to write in the dirt. All the religious leaders began to leave, until only Jesus and the woman were left. He said to her 'Where is your accuser? Didn't anyone pass judgement on you?' Obviously no one did, so Jesus said 'Neither do I. Go and sin no more.'

there's a common misconception that you have to change your life before you come to Christ . . . that's just simply not right. All you have to do is believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He died for the sins of mankind.
I've heard people say 'but I don't want to give up this or that to be a christian.' you don't have to. when you believe in Christ, you become a new creation

went off on a tangent there . . .
so church is people, not a building. my church meets in the aerobics room at a community center, and we've had several people leave the church because they want the comfort of a building, not the people in it
church shouldn't be about bringing people in, but sending people out to care for those in need, supporting the sick, caring for the elderly, and giving help where it's needed.


I know, wall of text so I'll sum it up here:

it's all about meeting people where they are, instead of dragging them away to some tradition rich environment to tell them how wrong they are
 
but in the very first place a church is a church, a place for worship and prayer where the focus is on God.

That's exactly what my church is. The fact that it happens to be a large church is incidental, really.

I still don't understand why people are being taught to hate large churches. Whatever happened to freedom of religion? :(

There's nothing that says a church has to be small to accomplish God's work. Just because a congregation is large, doesn't mean it's sold out. And so what if we have a 'praise band' instead of an organ? We do have a traditional service for those who prefer that.
 
but in the very first place a church is a church, a place for worship and prayer where the focus is on God.

That's exactly what my church is. The fact that it happens to be a large church is incidental, really.

I still don't understand why people are being taught to hate large churches. Whatever happened to freedom of religion? :(

There's nothing that says a church has to be small to accomplish God's work. Just because a congregation is large, doesn't mean it's sold out. And so what if we have a 'praise band' instead of an organ? We do have a traditional service for those who prefer that.

that's definitely true
not all Big Churches are run like self help businesses
when I think of 'megachurch' I think of motivational speakers and self help authors . . . being run by celebrities or public personalities rather than being a church in the traditional sense of the word
 
when I think of 'megachurch' I think of motivational speakers and self help authors . . . being run by celebrities or public personalities rather than being a church in the traditional sense of the word

Trust me, our message is not like that at all. Our pastors have given whole series of sermons against it, in fact.
 
I don't care for the megachurch ambience - there's nothing wrong with it, at least in theory, but even at its best, it's just...well, too big. For me, anyway. Too...grandstandy. Which makes perfect sense - if you're trying to communicate with hundreds or even thousands of people at once, well, you have to do things differently.

There's nothing wrong with it (particularly not with having a gym - I wish my church had one, alas), but it's just not for me. But we have lots of choices in this country, so everybody can find what he wants...and hopefully what he needs.
 
Those mega "churches" are only about the money... disgusting.


All churches are just about money, otherwise you can just pray to a god in your own house.

Agreed.

Disagree. But that's OK.

If you're a believer, you go to church - that is, to a building set aside for worship - because it's good for believers to get together now and then just to worship together. There is an important place in religion, certainly, for communing within your own soul, but jeez, do it to the exclusion of all else and it can become a bit too...self-focused. And you also do so because if you never gather together, you can't do some of the things that people of faith (and other good people) are supposed to do. Such as sponsor food pantries or after-school programs. I guess you can do that sort of thing from your house, but it would be pretty difficult and the neighbors probably wouldn't like it. ;)
 
Prefer the small-church vibe myself. Our church is part of a larger network of course but our Chapel/Stake Center has the small feel to it. Everyone knows everyone else or at least knows OF. Whereas some of the bigger stake-centers/chapels you lose that.

Nothing wrong with running a church to make money. You have to pay for electricity, water, gas, heat, salary for the staff... It's when you run a Church Of The Profit... well that I disagree on. If you are making so much money that your bishop/pastor/leadership can drive a Rolls while the members are making due with rusted out Aerostars and beat to hell Rabbits then there is a very very serious problem.
 
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